German WW2 FAE- the Vacuum Bomb

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Rob

2007-04-22 00:16:50 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
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Rob

Is that something that never got out of the concept stage? More info
please.

Pat Flannery

2007-04-22 05:08:14 UTC

Post by RT

Post by Rob Arndt
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Rob

Is that something that never got out of the concept stage? More info
please.

I think the painting is supposed to show rockets or missiles hitting the
bombers, not FABs - note the smoke trails behind whatever they are
attacking the bombers with. The "vacuum bomb" was another of Goebbels'
propaganda weapons that probably never existed, like all those other
goodies...bombs that would freeze everyone to death, and radio death ray
beams.

Pat

Rob Arndt

2007-04-22 07:43:31 UTC

Some interesting facts about Late-War German Weapons:

Re: EM Gun:

As regards the second bunker, a witness stated that in 1944 there was
an installation below the TUP [FHQ Ohrdruf] which created an electro-
magnetic field capable of stopping the engines of a conventional
aircraft at seven miles. During the war, the Allies never photographed
Ohrdruf from the air, nor bombed it, even though their spies must have
assured them it was crawling with SS and scientific groups. A German
electro-magnetic field which interfered with their aircraft at
altitudes of up to seven miles is admitted by a 1945 USAF Intelligence
document. The USAF suspected that it was a device to bring down their
bombers, but it obviously had some other purpose, or it would have
been operating below Berlin.

On 6 December 1944, the US Military Intelligence Service commenced
Research Project 1217 "Investigation into German Possible Use of Rays
to Neutralize Allied Aircraft Motors". This resulted from "recent
interference phenomena occasionally experienced on operations over
Germany in the Frankfurt/Main area." It was usually described as
"freakish interference to engines and electrical instruments" over the
north bank of the Main River, about ten miles from FHQ Adlerhorst.

In a top secret report entitled "Engine Interference Counter-Measures"
addressed to the Director, Air Technical Service Command, Wright
Field, Dayton, Ohio, reference was made to OSS discussions about a
German unit somewhere near Frankfurt/Main operating:

".....an influence interfering with conventional aircraft.....however
incredible it may appear to project from the ground to a height of
30,000 feet sufficient magnetic energy to interfere with the
functioning of the ignition system of an airplane, it must be
concluded that the enemy not only intends to interfere with our
aircraft by some immaterial means, but has also succeeded in
accomplishing this intention...."

RE: Foo Fighter- US Codename PHOO BOMB

On the matter of the Foo Fighter, an official document published by
the United States Strategic Air Forces in Europe, Office of the
Director of Intelligence, and dated 1944, has this entry:

4. "PHOO" BOMBS: Occasionally reports by pilots and the testimony of
prisoners of war and escapees describe this weapon as a radio-
controlled, jet-propelled, still-nosed, short-range, high performance
ramming weapon, for use against bombing formations. It's speed is
estimated at 525 mph

From the Office of Director of Intelligence for the US Strategic Air

Forces in Europe (USSTAF) comes a new name for foo-fighters. In a Top
Secret document dated 19 January 1945 entitled "An Evaluation of
German Capabilities in 1945" we learn under paragraph 2e Other
Weapons:

"German capabilities with already proved weapons as V-1 and V-2 and
untried weapons, such as the 'Phoo' Bomb, Magnetic Waves and gases
applicable to aircraft, are considered to offer no new threat of
really serious proportions...."

ONLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE WEAPONS WERE HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL AND OF
LIMITED AVAILABILITY. HAD THIS REPORT BEEN WRITTEN IN 1946 THESE
WEAPONS WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE ENTIRE AIR WAR TO WHICH THE ALLIES HAD
NO RESPONSE

RE: AEG Plasma Physics and the Bell Device (Die Glocke)

Most information available about the "Bell" project comes from the
research of Polish investigator Igor Witkowski and is based on the
partially declassified depositions in the case of State of Poland vs
ex-SS Obergruppenfuehrer Jakob Sporrenberg.

The initial experiments began under code-name "Tor" (Gateway) in
January 1942 and lasted until April 1945 when all concentration camp
helpers and low grade German staff were executed by the SS at Pattag,
this being the reason for the trial of Sporrenberg. In order to save
his neck, Sporrenberg made a full confession of all he knew, and some
of this information has been declassified by the Polish authorities.

In August 1943 "Tor" was divided into two projects, medical and
biological: "Chronos" and "Laternentraeger". (These codewords are
significant in National Socialist philosophy based on Egyptian
Hermeticism.) The project was loosely known as "the Bell" after the
nine-feet tall ceramic cover within which all experiments were made.

The work continued in a rehabilitated coal-mine near the town of
Waldenburg (Walbrzch), part of the FHQ "Riese" system.

AEG was responsible for supplying the very high voltage electrical
power under sub-project "Charite-Anlage". This project was header by
Oberingenieur Dr Richard Craemer whose whereabouts since the last
months of the war are unknown. It may not be a coincidence that AEG
established a small laboratory on the roof of the Charite Hospital in
Berlin prewar to study the effects of ball-lightning ("Kugelblitz").

The research programme was run by SS-E-IV and SS-U-13 teams finally
under SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Kammler. These studies were to analyze the
effect of counter-rotating at very high speeds on a common axis two
cylinders each filled with mercury amalgamate. The central axis was
filled with a violet coloured metallic substance like thin jelly
within a lead casing. There is mention from certain sources of a large
crystal which needed to be activated by a Van de Graaff generator.
(Von Ardenne had such a generator in his laboratory at Berlin-
Lichterfelde). The tests were considered to be part of an "anti-
gravity" project and aimed at producing certain plasmoids. The
plasmoids had two definite uses, the machine in operation was found to
produce an interesting side-effect and a fourth, major project was
uncompleted when the Waldenburg experiments terminated in April 1945.
It seems certain from a hint made by Sporrenberg, and from Argentine
declassified intelligence documents, that the project came to
Argentina at the end of the war. Since this project had the highest
known classification of priority in the Third Reich it seems logical
to infer that all operations in Argentina into "fusion technology" and
similar such ideas, and all the hullaballoo about Ronald Richter's
work, were to conceal the fact of the continuation of this secret Bell
project. If Ronald Richter was a student of ball-plasma, we have the
connection. There are indications that the project continues to the
present day.

Although the Allies (the United States and Britain) like it to be
thought that they had an excellent relationship in South America, it
is clear from Peron's book, and from the archive documents, that
Brazil and Argentina in particular had identified the US and Britain
as the main future threat to peace and stability in the region from
about 1942. Argentina was involved in talks with Germany on this
subject from mid-1942. In 1944, as a US declassified document proves,
Argentina set aside one billion dollars for its defence budget and had
stated openly that it would be "happy to receive German scientists,
technicians and weapons technologies" once the war ended. It can
hardly be a coincidence therefore that the Bell came down to
Argentina: nor can it be doubted that the personnel arrived postwar in
submarines and aircraft. In July 1945 the United States threatened to
bring Argentina before the UN Security Council for "concealing from
the United States knowledge of the movements of German U-boats in
Argentine coastal waters", knowledge which the Argentine Admiralty was
receiving from German sources in Argentina.

RE: FIREDAMP SUPERBOMB AND RADIOLOGICALS

Von Ardenne was involved in the production of a miracle explosive of
some description. That is the evidence of Henry Picker: "Hitler's
Tischgespraeche im Fuehrerhauptquartier 1941-1942" (First edition,
Gerhard Ritter, Bonn 1951). Picker was the stenographer appointed by
Martin Bormann to take notes of the conversation at Hitler's tea
table. It will be seen from this book that Hitler visited the Ardenne
laboratory on occasions to see how the work was coming along. It is
clear that the bomb under construction - a "uraniumbombe" - was not an
atom bomb. The German term for an atom bomb in common use at the time
was "Uranbombe" and not "uraniumbombe". Hitler's description of how it
would work indicates that the weapon cannot have been an atom bomb. It
was to be fitted as the warhead of an intercontinental rocket -
therefore the A9/10 - and consisted of a number of "uranium-bomben"
which would be scattered far and wide by a conventional explosive.

THIS REFERS TO THE TWO UNCOMPLETED LAYERED URANIUM DIRTY BOMBS THAT
WERE TO BE CONTINED WITHIN A WARHEAD SPHERE FILLED WITH KEROSENE AND A
FISSION INDUCING ELEMENT TO CAUSE A COMPRESSION FISSION EXPLOSION AT
IMPACT AND SCATTER RADIOACTIVE FISSILE MATERIAL OVER A WIDE AREA OF US
TERRITORY- TARGET, MANHATTEN, NY.

(3) A strange explosive was tested at Ohrdruf on the nights of 4th and
12 March 1945. A number of modern German authors including Mehnen and
Karlsch have attempted to prove that this was a rudimentary atom bomb.
However, the eye-witness evidence contradicts any such possibility. It
was a small scale test. 400 camp prisoners and 20 SS guards who got
too close were scorched to death. Viewers were invited to watch the
explosion through binoculars on a dark night (therefore there was no
fire-ball). Witness Claere Werner (see 4 below) said: "There was a
brightness like hundreds of lightning flashes, but red inside and
yellow outside. Then came a tremendous hurricane gust after which it
fell quiet. A witness stated that this was a '100 gram additive?.
There was some kind of miscalculation of the extent of the explosion
resulting in the deaths of up to 400 concentration camp prisoners and
20 SS guards who were assisting in the test. The bodies were burnt on
a communal pyre and the ashes scattered across the Harz mountains."
There was no residual fallout, although the Reichspost official made
the rounds of nearby houses and ensured that all glassware was wiped
clean. Claere Werner testified that on the night of 12 March 1945 she
witnessed another, much smaller test. "I was told I must never mention
anything I had seen, and particularly not the bolts of lightning."

THIS IS THE FIREDAMP BOMB SMALL KG TEST DETONATIONS WITH CLIMATE
DISTORTION EFFECTS ALREADY OCCURRING

Rob

p.s. The FAE bombs were started in 1943 and were completed by late
1944 but were held indefinately while the SS pursued the Firedamp
Superbomb instead. The Frost Bomb endothermic weapon was a lab test
only and the facility where it was being tested was over-run by the
Russians who got all the documentation. The EM gun was a working
system but highly complicated. Only 1-2 were built while other Death
Ray technology involved microwave wepaons and electrostatic field
generators pioneered by Messerschmitt's Oberammegau facilty. The WNF
Feuerball utilized this weapon during tests from late 1944 until April
1945.
Direct energy weapons were tested by the SS EIV unit as the Donau KSK
(Kraftstrahlkanone) while Dr. Franz Phillip of Berlin worked on the
first lasers.He was captured by the Russians and used both as a camp
screener for scientists (as he spoke fluent Russian) and also
continued work towards Soviet laser technology...

Anything else, Pat?

Rob Arndt

2007-04-22 08:05:32 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
As regards the second bunker, a witness stated that in 1944 there was
an installation below the TUP [FHQ Ohrdruf] which created an electro-
magnetic field capable of stopping the engines of a conventional
aircraft at seven miles. During the war, the Allies never photographed
Ohrdruf from the air, nor bombed it, even though their spies must have
assured them it was crawling with SS and scientific groups. A German
electro-magnetic field which interfered with their aircraft at
altitudes of up to seven miles is admitted by a 1945 USAF Intelligence
document. The USAF suspected that it was a device to bring down their
bombers, but it obviously had some other purpose, or it would have
been operating below Berlin.
On 6 December 1944, the US Military Intelligence Service commenced
Research Project 1217 "Investigation into German Possible Use of Rays
to Neutralize Allied Aircraft Motors". This resulted from "recent
interference phenomena occasionally experienced on operations over
Germany in the Frankfurt/Main area." It was usually described as
"freakish interference to engines and electrical instruments" over the
north bank of the Main River, about ten miles from FHQ Adlerhorst.
In a top secret report entitled "Engine Interference Counter-Measures"
addressed to the Director, Air Technical Service Command, Wright
Field, Dayton, Ohio, reference was made to OSS discussions about a
".....an influence interfering with conventional aircraft.....however
incredible it may appear to project from the ground to a height of
30,000 feet sufficient magnetic energy to interfere with the
functioning of the ignition system of an airplane, it must be
concluded that the enemy not only intends to interfere with our
aircraft by some immaterial means, but has also succeeded in
accomplishing this intention...."
RE: Foo Fighter- US Codename PHOO BOMB
On the matter of the Foo Fighter, an official document published by
the United States Strategic Air Forces in Europe, Office of the
4. "PHOO" BOMBS: Occasionally reports by pilots and the testimony of
prisoners of war and escapees describe this weapon as a radio-
controlled, jet-propelled, still-nosed, short-range, high performance
ramming weapon, for use against bombing formations. It's speed is
estimated at 525 mph

From the Office of Director of Intelligence for the US Strategic Air

Forces in Europe (USSTAF) comes a new name for foo-fighters. In a Top
Secret document dated 19 January 1945 entitled "An Evaluation of
German Capabilities in 1945" we learn under paragraph 2e Other
"German capabilities with already proved weapons as V-1 and V-2 and
untried weapons, such as the 'Phoo' Bomb, Magnetic Waves and gases
applicable to aircraft, are considered to offer no new threat of
really serious proportions...."
ONLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE WEAPONS WERE HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL AND OF
LIMITED AVAILABILITY. HAD THIS REPORT BEEN WRITTEN IN 1946 THESE
WEAPONS WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE ENTIRE AIR WAR TO WHICH THE ALLIES HAD
NO RESPONSE
RE: AEG Plasma Physics and the Bell Device (Die Glocke)
Most information available about the "Bell" project comes from the
research of Polish investigator Igor Witkowski and is based on the
partially declassified depositions in the case of State of Poland vs
ex-SS Obergruppenfuehrer Jakob Sporrenberg.
The initial experiments began under code-name "Tor" (Gateway) in
January 1942 and lasted until April 1945 when all concentration camp
helpers and low grade German staff were executed by the SS at Pattag,
this being the reason for the trial of Sporrenberg. In order to save
his neck, Sporrenberg made a full confession of all he knew, and some
of this information has been declassified by the Polish authorities.
In August 1943 "Tor" was divided into two projects, medical and
biological: "Chronos" and "Laternentraeger". (These codewords are
significant in National Socialist philosophy based on Egyptian
Hermeticism.) The project was loosely known as "the Bell" after the
nine-feet tall ceramic cover within which all experiments were made.
The work continued in a rehabilitated coal-mine near the town of
Waldenburg (Walbrzch), part of the FHQ "Riese" system.
AEG was responsible for supplying the very high voltage electrical
power under sub-project "Charite-Anlage". This project was header by
Oberingenieur Dr Richard Craemer whose whereabouts since the last
months of the war are unknown. It may not be a coincidence that AEG
established a small laboratory on the roof of the Charite Hospital in
Berlin prewar to study the effects of ball-lightning ("Kugelblitz").
The research programme was run by SS-E-IV and SS-U-13 teams finally
under SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Kammler. These studies were to analyze the
effect of counter-rotating at very high speeds on a common axis two
cylinders each filled with mercury amalgamate. The central axis was
filled with a violet coloured metallic substance like thin jelly
within a lead casing. There is mention from certain sources of a large
crystal which needed to be activated by a Van de Graaff generator.
(Von Ardenne had such a generator in his laboratory at Berlin-
Lichterfelde). The tests were considered to be part of an "anti-
gravity" project and aimed at producing certain plasmoids. The
plasmoids had two definite uses, the machine in operation was found to
produce an interesting side-effect and a fourth, major project was
uncompleted when the Waldenburg experiments terminated in April 1945.
It seems certain from a hint made by Sporrenberg, and from Argentine
declassified intelligence documents, that the project came to
Argentina at the end of the war. Since this project had the highest
known classification of priority in the Third Reich it seems logical
to infer that all operations in Argentina into "fusion technology" and
similar such ideas, and all the hullaballoo about Ronald Richter's
work, were to conceal the fact of the continuation of this secret Bell
project. If Ronald Richter was a student of ball-plasma, we have the
connection. There are indications that the project continues to the
present day.
Although the Allies (the United States and Britain) like it to be
thought that they had an excellent relationship in South America, it
is clear from Peron's book, and from the archive documents, that
Brazil and Argentina in particular had identified the US and Britain
as the main future threat to peace and stability in the region from
about 1942. Argentina was involved in talks with Germany on this
subject from mid-1942. In 1944, as a US declassified document proves,
Argentina set aside one billion dollars for its defence budget and had
stated openly that it would be "happy to receive German scientists,
technicians and weapons technologies" once the war ended. It can
hardly be a coincidence therefore that the Bell came down to
Argentina: nor can it be doubted that the personnel arrived postwar in
submarines and aircraft. In July 1945 the United States threatened to
bring Argentina before the UN Security Council for "concealing from
the United States knowledge of the movements of German U-boats in
Argentine coastal waters", knowledge which the Argentine Admiralty was
receiving from German sources in Argentina.
RE: FIREDAMP SUPERBOMB AND RADIOLOGICALS
Von Ardenne was involved in the production of a miracle explosive of
some description. That is the evidence of Henry Picker: "Hitler's
Tischgespraeche im Fuehrerhauptquartier 1941-1942" (First edition,
Gerhard Ritter, Bonn 1951). Picker was the stenographer appointed by
Martin Bormann to take notes of the conversation at Hitler's tea
table. It will be seen from this book that Hitler visited the Ardenne
laboratory on occasions to see how the work was coming along. It is
clear that the bomb under construction - a "uraniumbombe" - was not an
atom bomb. The German term for an atom bomb in common use at the time
was "Uranbombe" and not "uraniumbombe". Hitler's description of how it
would work indicates that the weapon cannot have been an atom bomb. It
was to be fitted as the warhead of an intercontinental rocket -
therefore the A9/10 - and consisted of a number of "uranium-bomben"
which would be scattered far and wide by a conventional explosive.
THIS REFERS TO THE TWO UNCOMPLETED LAYERED URANIUM DIRTY BOMBS THAT
WERE TO BE CONTINED WITHIN A WARHEAD SPHERE FILLED WITH KEROSENE AND A
FISSION INDUCING ELEMENT TO CAUSE A COMPRESSION FISSION EXPLOSION AT
IMPACT AND SCATTER RADIOACTIVE FISSILE MATERIAL OVER A WIDE AREA OF US
TERRITORY- TARGET, MANHATTEN, NY.
(3) A strange explosive was tested at Ohrdruf on the nights of 4th and
12 March 1945. A number of modern German authors including Mehnen and
Karlsch have attempted to prove that this was a rudimentary atom bomb.
However, the eye-witness evidence contradicts any such possibility. It
was a small scale test. 400 camp prisoners and 20 SS guards who got
too close were scorched to death. Viewers were invited to watch the
explosion through binoculars on a dark night (therefore there was no
fire-ball). Witness Claere Werner (see 4 below) said: "There was a
brightness like hundreds of lightning flashes, but red inside and
yellow outside. Then came a tremendous hurricane gust after which it
fell quiet. A witness stated that this was a '100 gram additive?.
There was some kind of miscalculation of the extent of the explosion
resulting in the deaths of up to 400 concentration camp prisoners and
20 SS guards who were assisting in the test. The bodies were burnt on
a communal pyre and the ashes scattered across the Harz mountains."
There was no residual fallout, although the Reichspost official made
the rounds of nearby houses and ensured that all glassware was wiped
clean. Claere Werner testified that on the night of 12 March 1945 she
witnessed another, much ...
read more �

A slight correction. Document source for Phoo Bomb should read
"secondary source". There are many of these sources available. Black
Sun and Reich of the Black Sun have a copy of the actual documents in
question. Phoo Bomb (aka Foo Fighter Phenomenon) is firmly listed as a
GERMAN weapon system (although Allied Intel did not know that they
were four different things).

Rob

Rob Arndt

2007-04-22 08:22:59 UTC

From the Office of Director of Intelligence for the US Strategic Air

Forces in Europe (USSTAF) comes a new name for foo-fighters. In a Top
Secret document dated 19 January 1945 entitled "An Evaluation of
German Capabilities in 1945" we learn under paragraph 2e Other
"German capabilities with already proved weapons as V-1 and V-2 and
untried weapons, such as the 'Phoo' Bomb, Magnetic Waves and gases
applicable to aircraft, are considered to offer no new threat of
really serious proportions...."
ONLY DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE WEAPONS WERE HIGHLY EXPERIMENTAL AND OF
LIMITED AVAILABILITY. HAD THIS REPORT BEEN WRITTEN IN 1946 THESE
WEAPONS WOULD HAVE CHANGED THE ENTIRE AIR WAR TO WHICH THE ALLIES HAD
NO RESPONSE
RE: AEG Plasma Physics and the Bell Device (Die Glocke)
Most information available about the "Bell" project comes from the
research of Polish investigator Igor Witkowski and is based on the
partially declassified depositions in the case of State of Poland vs
ex-SS Obergruppenfuehrer Jakob Sporrenberg.
The initial experiments began under code-name "Tor" (Gateway) in
January 1942 and lasted until April 1945 when all concentration camp
helpers and low grade German staff were executed by the SS at Pattag,
this being the reason for the trial of Sporrenberg. In order to save
his neck, Sporrenberg made a full confession of all he knew, and some
of this information has been declassified by the Polish authorities.
In August 1943 "Tor" was divided into two projects, medical and
biological: "Chronos" and "Laternentraeger". (These codewords are
significant in National Socialist philosophy based on Egyptian
Hermeticism.) The project was loosely known as "the Bell" after the
nine-feet tall ceramic cover within which all experiments were made.
The work continued in a rehabilitated coal-mine near the town of
Waldenburg (Walbrzch), part of the FHQ "Riese" system.
AEG was responsible for supplying the very high voltage electrical
power under sub-project "Charite-Anlage". This project was header by
Oberingenieur Dr Richard Craemer whose whereabouts since the last
months of the war are unknown. It may not be a coincidence that AEG
established a small laboratory on the roof of the Charite Hospital in
Berlin prewar to study the effects of ball-lightning ("Kugelblitz").
The research programme was run by SS-E-IV and SS-U-13 teams finally
under SS-Obergruppenfuehrer Kammler. These studies were to analyze the
effect of counter-rotating at very high speeds on a common axis two
cylinders each filled with mercury amalgamate. The central axis was
filled with a violet coloured metallic substance like thin jelly
within a lead casing. There is mention from certain sources of a large
crystal which needed to be activated by a Van de Graaff generator.
(Von Ardenne had such a generator in his laboratory at Berlin-
Lichterfelde). The tests were considered to be part of an "anti-
gravity" project and aimed at producing certain plasmoids. The
plasmoids had two definite uses, the machine in operation was found to
produce an interesting side-effect and a fourth, major project was
uncompleted when the Waldenburg experiments terminated in April 1945.
It seems certain from a hint made by Sporrenberg, and from Argentine
declassified intelligence documents, that the project came to
Argentina at the end of the war. Since this project had the highest
known classification of priority in the Third Reich it seems logical
to infer that all operations in Argentina into "fusion technology" and
similar such ideas, and all the hullaballoo about Ronald Richter's
work, were to conceal the fact of the continuation of this secret Bell
project. If Ronald Richter was a student of ball-plasma, we have the
connection. There are indications that the project continues to the
present day.
Although the Allies (the United States and Britain) like it to be
thought that they had an excellent relationship in South America, it
is clear from Peron's book, and from the archive documents, that
Brazil and Argentina in particular had identified the US and Britain
as the main future threat to peace and stability in the region from
about 1942. Argentina was involved in talks with Germany on this
subject from mid-1942. In 1944, as a US declassified document proves,
Argentina set aside one billion dollars for its defence budget and had
stated openly that it would be "happy to receive German scientists,
technicians and weapons technologies" once the war ended. It can
hardly be a coincidence therefore that the Bell came down to
Argentina: nor can it be doubted that the personnel arrived postwar in
submarines and aircraft. In July 1945 the United States threatened to
bring Argentina before the UN Security Council for "concealing from
the United States knowledge of the movements of German U-boats in
Argentine coastal waters", knowledge which the Argentine Admiralty was
receiving from German sources in Argentina.
RE: FIREDAMP SUPERBOMB AND RADIOLOGICALS
Von Ardenne was involved in the production of a miracle explosive of
some description. That is the evidence of Henry Picker: "Hitler's
Tischgespraeche im Fuehrerhauptquartier 1941-1942" (First edition,
Gerhard Ritter, Bonn 1951). Picker was the stenographer appointed by
Martin Bormann to take notes of the conversation at Hitler's tea
table. It will be seen from this book that Hitler visited the Ardenne
laboratory on occasions to see how the work was coming along. It is
clear that the bomb under construction - a "uraniumbombe" - was not an
atom bomb. The German term for an atom bomb in common use at the time
was "Uranbombe" and not "uraniumbombe". Hitler's description of how it
would work indicates that the weapon cannot have been an atom bomb. It
was to be fitted as the warhead of an intercontinental rocket -
therefore the A9/10 - and consisted of a number of "uranium-bomben"
which would be scattered far and wide by a conventional explosive.
THIS REFERS TO THE TWO UNCOMPLETED LAYERED URANIUM DIRTY BOMBS THAT
WERE TO BE CONTINED WITHIN A WARHEAD SPHERE FILLED WITH KEROSENE AND A
FISSION INDUCING ELEMENT TO CAUSE A COMPRESSION FISSION EXPLOSION AT
IMPACT AND SCATTER RADIOACTIVE FISSILE MATERIAL OVER A WIDE AREA OF US
TERRITORY- TARGET, MANHATTEN, NY.
(3) A strange explosive was tested at Ohrdruf on the nights of 4th and
12 March 1945. A number of modern German authors including Mehnen and
Karlsch have attempted to prove that this was a rudimentary atom bomb.
However, the eye-witness evidence contradicts any such possibility. It
was a small scale test. 400 camp prisoners and 20 SS guards who got
too close were scorched to death. Viewers were invited to watch the
explosion through binoculars on a dark night (therefore there was no
fire-ball). Witness Claere Werner (see 4 below) said: "There was a
brightness like hundreds of lightning flashes, but red inside and
yellow outside. Then came a tremendous hurricane gust after which it
fell quiet. A witness stated that this was a '100 gram additive?.
There was some kind of miscalculation of the extent of the explosion
resulting in the deaths of up to 400 concentration camp prisoners and
20 SS guards who were assisting in the test. The bodies were burnt on
a communal pyre and the ashes scattered across the Harz mountains."
There was no residual fallout, although the Reichspost official made
the rounds of nearby houses and ensured that all glassware was wiped
clean. Claere Werner testified that on the night of 12 March 1945 she
witnessed another, much ...
read more ?

Microfilm negative of official US 1945 document listing Phoo Bomb,
Magnatic Wave, gases:
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They knew all along and even today do not disclose any Phoo Bomb
photos, flight footage, German documention, etc... allowing people to
believe for decades these were alien UFOs. Guess the truth is stranger
than fiction AND a threat to natinal security.

Rob

Rob Arndt

2007-04-22 08:31:51 UTC

More proof:

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United States Air Force, 1944, "An Evaluation Of GermanCapabilities In
1945", Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama, USA, this and other
information related to Phoo Bombs can be found on microfilm rolls
A-1007-1652, A-5729-2040

back-up CIOS Report:

Combined Intelligence Objectives Sub-Committee Report Number156,
"Report On Flugfunk Forschungsinstitut Oberpfaffenhofen F.F.O.
Establishments"

They helped build the WNF Feuerball.

Read away Pat, and please post on your space NG!!!

What's the matter Pat? Feeling lied to by the US Govt? Or fucked? Or
both?

Rob

Pat Flannery

2007-04-22 10:12:47 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
http://www.missilegate.com/rfz/images/048.jpg
http://www.missilegate.com/rfz/images/049.jpg
http://www.missilegate.com/rfz/images/050.jpg
United States Air Force, 1944, "An Evaluation Of GermanCapabilities In
1945", Maxwell Air Force Base, Alabama, USA, this and other
information related to Phoo Bombs can be found on microfilm rolls
A-1007-1652, A-5729-2040

These are things we thought they had or might have.
In some cases we were right; they did have the V-1 and V-2; but they
didn't have a 68 foot long rocket, although that might be some garbled
description of the A10 project.
They had thought about a atomic bomb, but as the report states, that
never came to fruition either, so good call there.
Everyone thought that it might be possible to build a "magnetic wave"
device to attack aircraft from around 1920 forward, in fact that was one
of the main ideas for the concept of radar.
As for the gases causing the motors to fail, they might well have
thought of that idea; they had a show on about the Bermuda Triangle
where they speculated that Flight 19 might have run into a methane cloud
released from a ruptured underwater methane hydrate ice deposit, and as
part of that test checked out what methane would do to an aircraft
engine if it ingested it... it started severely malfunctioning when the
mixture reached only around 3%, so you might consider that as a weapon.
But unless the foo fighters were some sort of SAM tests, here they blew
it entirely.
In fact, Project 1947 went looking around for info on sightings of them,
and found that they were never as prevalent as thought.
The question is, if you can make a weapon that can do the things Renato
Vesco claimed, you have an effective SAM; you don't go around screwing
with aircraft's electrical systems, you destroy them outright:
http://www.project1947.com/articles/arwwr.htm
Since the dread foo fighters show up in all theaters during the whole
war, this would mean that both the Germans and the Japanese had them
right from the word go, so they don't need to do any development work on
SAMS as the war progresses.
Just like the He-113s, this sounds like somebody seeing something odd,
talking about it back at base, and pretty soon everyone is seeing them.
Intelligence services sometimes see all sorts of threats that aren't
there, case in point being the Iraqi WMD program and the dread mobile
biological labs that turned out to be weather balloon trucks.
In that case the "most secret and reliable source" like is used for the
magnetic wave weapon in the report turned out to be "Curveball" the liar.
Anyone who thinks this government can lie competently wasn't been paying
much attention to everything post WW II.
We put out howling lies that we know no one is going to buy so that
we'll have "plausible deniability".

Pat

Rob Arndt

2007-04-22 17:54:39 UTC

These are things we thought they had or might have.
In some cases we were right; they did have �the V-1 and V-2; but they
didn't have a 68 foot long rocket, although that might be some garbled
description of the A10 project.
They had thought about a atomic bomb, but as the report states, that
never came to fruition either, so good call there.
Everyone thought that it might be possible to build a "magnetic wave"
device to attack aircraft from around 1920 forward, in fact that was one
of the main ideas for the concept of radar.
As for the gases causing the motors to fail, they might well have
thought of that idea; they had a show on about the Bermuda Triangle
where they speculated that Flight 19 might have run into a methane cloud
released from a ruptured underwater methane hydrate ice deposit, and as
part of that test checked out what methane would do to an aircraft
engine if it ingested it... it started severely malfunctioning when the
mixture reached only around 3%, so you might consider that as a weapon.
But unless the foo fighters were some sort of SAM tests, here they blew
it entirely.
In fact, Project 1947 went looking around for info on sightings of them,
and found that they were never as prevalent as thought.
The question is, if you can make a weapon that can do the things Renato
Vesco claimed, you have an effective SAM; you don't go around screwing
with aircraft's electrical systems, you destroy them outright:http://www.project1947.com/articles/arwwr.htm
Since the dread foo fighters show up in all theaters during the whole
war, this would mean that both the Germans and the Japanese had them
right from the word go, so they don't need to do any development work on
SAMS as the war progresses.
Just like the He-113s, this sounds like somebody seeing something odd,
talking about it back at base, and pretty soon everyone is seeing them.
Intelligence services sometimes see all sorts of threats that aren't
there, case in point being the Iraqi WMD program and the dread mobile
biological labs that turned out to be weather balloon trucks.
In that case the "most secret and reliable source" like is used for the
magnetic wave weapon in the report turned out to be "Curveball" the liar.
Anyone who thinks this government can lie competently wasn't been paying
much attention to everything post WW II.
We put out howling lies that we know no one is going to buy so that
we'll have "plausible deniability".
Pat

Germany transferred this technology to the Italians through the Riva
Del Garda facility and U-boat transported documentation and hardward
to Japan.

Amazing how the Foo Fighter reports stopped in the ETO by April
1945... only to show up in the PTO by August 1945 by Germany's ally
Japan. The Italian sightings of 1943 are not that well known but
documented as well.

As for US lies:

- Germany had no hope of building an atomic bomb
Declassified documentation now tells a different story. The Germans
made mistakes, but by 1945 were frantically trying to get one bomb
built for the Amerika Bomber to drop on Manhatten which was a
Luftwaffe target- the US grid maps of which were captured in 1945
prove this. The Prufstand XII containers for a sea-launched V-2 with a
single warhead aimed at NY also verify this. No one ton warhead of
Amatol would do anything to NY. The warhead was to be either a dirty
bomb or atomic- same for the ICBM A-9/A-10. These are not fantasy
projects but active projects of 1945. Time had simply run out and the
US had to bury these secrets as it intended to be known as the only
nation to design and build a nuclear weapon. They completely ignore
Britain's Tube Alloys atomic research that started the Manhatten
Project and cover up both the German radiologicals and attempted
atomic bomb along with the Firedamp Superbomb. Japan's Genzai Bakudan
atomic bomb in occupied Korea is also covered-up with the US only
disclosing partial atomic research in Tokyo. The main effort was not
there but in Korea.

- Kenneth Arnold sighting of 9 formation flying parabolic disc craft
led by a flying wing type.
USAF content to let the newly named "flying saucer" description take
its course.

New evidence supports the idea that the lead flying wing was a Horten
IX-based machine with the others being copies of the Horten Parabola,
but powered.

- Roswell "balloon" nonsense

The USAF over 5 decades had published THREE official versions of what
took place in 1947 and modified the balloon story to such an extent
that all credability is lost.

Newly declassified CIA documents that one of the Hortens was secretly
transferred to Wright Field postwar to investigate flying wing and
disc a/c designs. The Roswell craft is now believed to have been a
variant of the original Ho-X design complete with anti-radar grooves
cut into the belly of the craft which WAS carried aloft by an
intercontinental FUGO-type balloon for recon over the USSR. Due to the
sensitive nature of both Cold War spying and of general advanced
German aviation designs- the USAF had to lie its way through decades
of pressured public and other Governmental inquiries into that
machine. They still have not told the truth or revelaed the photos
takemn of the crashed delta (it wasn't a disc after all). If the
wreckage was just a debris field WHY did a huge US Army transporter
show up to recover the machine and why was one large section alone
transported by B-29 back to the US?

All that UFO nonsense started with the original rancher's report and
the new term "flying saucer" coined by a reporter covering the
previous Arnold story... only to be resurrected in the 1970s after the
movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" came out by an author who
used secondary sources and myths from the '50s to tell the "real"
story. The only credible source for Roswell was the poor Major that
had to reveal that it was only a balloon- the USAF media fall guy for
the conspiracy who looked like a fool with fragments of a
meteorlogical balloon which could not make a debris trail of any real
length let alone an impact crater, scorched earth, a clamp down on
Roswell, and the massive effort by the USAF, US Army, and US Govt. to
retrieve the crashed machine but to also silence Roswell and
painstakingly clear every bit of evidence from miles of the crash
site. You don't do that with a balloon and you don't need a huge Army
transport and B-29 to transport a popped balloon- the debris of which
could fill one U-Haul box.

- German disc aircraft in general

Denied by the USAF until 1995 after Jim Wilson of popular mechanics
went through FOIA documents that had become declassified. USAF only
comment was that YES the Germans had disc prototypes but that they
were highly unstable- end of conversation. They gave no designations,
development times, photographic evidence, aerial footage of the discs
in flight. further detailed information including designer (s) nor
manufacturers. The bulk of this continued classification is until 2020
(75 year imposed classification from 1945). Jonastal S-III's
classification is 100 yrs or 2045 due to both the discs and the EM gun
and what is expected to be plasma research.

So bringing up the "He-113" is petty Pat. It has nothing to do with
any of the documents I supplied and can keep supplying. Official Govt.
documents on German technology.

Try again...

Rob

o***@gmail.com

2007-04-23 01:45:40 UTC

These are things we thought they had or might have.
In some cases we were right; they did have ?the V-1 and V-2; but they
didn't have a 68 foot long rocket, although that might be some garbled
description of the A10 project.
They had thought about a atomic bomb, but as the report states, that
never came to fruition either, so good call there.
Everyone thought that it might be possible to build a "magnetic wave"
device to attack aircraft from around 1920 forward, in fact that was one
of the main ideas for the concept of radar.
As for the gases causing the motors to fail, they might well have
thought of that idea; they had a show on about the Bermuda Triangle
where they speculated that Flight 19 might have run into a methane cloud
released from a ruptured underwater methane hydrate ice deposit, and as
part of that test checked out what methane would do to an aircraft
engine if it ingested it... it started severely malfunctioning when the
mixture reached only around 3%, so you might consider that as a weapon.
But unless the foo fighters were some sort of SAM tests, here they blew
it entirely.
In fact, Project 1947 went looking around for info on sightings of them,
and found that they were never as prevalent as thought.
The question is, if you can make a weapon that can do the things Renato
Vesco claimed, you have an effective SAM; you don't go around screwing
with aircraft's electrical systems, you destroy them outright:http://www.project1947.com/articles/arwwr.htm
Since the dread foo fighters show up in all theaters during the whole
war, this would mean that both the Germans and the Japanese had them
right from the word go, so they don't need to do any development work on
SAMS as the war progresses.
Just like the He-113s, this sounds like somebody seeing something odd,
talking about it back at base, and pretty soon everyone is seeing them.
Intelligence services sometimes see all sorts of threats that aren't
there, case in point being the Iraqi WMD program and the dread mobile
biological labs that turned out to be weather balloon trucks.
In that case the "most secret and reliable source" like is used for the
magnetic wave weapon in the report turned out to be "Curveball" the liar.
Anyone who thinks this government can lie competently wasn't been paying
much attention to everything post WW II.
We put out howling lies that we know no one is going to buy so that
we'll have "plausible deniability".
Pat

Germany transferred this technology to the Italians through the Riva
Del Garda facility and U-boat transported documentation and hardward
to Japan.
Amazing how the Foo Fighter reports stopped in the ETO by April
1945... only to show up in the PTO by August 1945 by Germany's ally
Japan. The Italian sightings of 1943 are not that well known but
documented as well.
- Germany had no hope of building an atomic bomb
Declassified documentation now tells a different story. The Germans
made mistakes, but by 1945 were frantically trying to get one bomb
built for the Amerika Bomber to drop on Manhatten which was a
Luftwaffe target- the US grid maps of which were captured in 1945
prove this. The Prufstand XII containers for a sea-launched V-2 with a
single warhead aimed at NY also verify this. No one ton warhead of
Amatol would do anything to NY. The warhead was to be either a dirty
bomb or atomic- same for the ICBM A-9/A-10. These are not fantasy
projects but active projects of 1945. Time had simply run out and the
US had to bury these secrets as it intended to be known as the only
nation to design and build a nuclear weapon. They completely ignore
Britain's Tube Alloys atomic research that started the Manhatten
Project and cover up both the German radiologicals and attempted
atomic bomb along with the Firedamp Superbomb. Japan's Genzai Bakudan
atomic bomb in occupied Korea is also covered-up with the US only
disclosing partial atomic research in Tokyo. The main effort was not
there but in Korea.
- Kenneth Arnold sighting of 9 formation flying parabolic disc craft
led by a flying wing type.
USAF content to let the newly named "flying saucer" description take
its course.
New evidence supports the idea that the lead flying wing was a Horten
IX-based machine with the others being copies of the Horten Parabola,
but powered.
- Roswell "balloon" nonsense
The USAF over 5 decades had published THREE official versions of what
took place in 1947 and modified the balloon story to such an extent
that all credability is lost.
Newly declassified CIA documents that one of the Hortens was secretly
transferred to Wright Field postwar to investigate flying wing and
disc a/c designs. The Roswell craft is now believed to have been a
variant of the original Ho-X design complete with anti-radar grooves
cut into the belly of the craft which WAS carried aloft by an
intercontinental FUGO-type balloon for recon over the USSR. Due to the
sensitive nature of both Cold War spying and of general advanced
German aviation designs- the USAF had to lie its way through decades
of pressured public and other Governmental inquiries into that
machine. They still have not told the truth or revelaed the photos
takemn of the crashed delta (it wasn't a disc after all). If the
wreckage was just a debris field WHY did a huge US Army transporter
show up to recover the machine and why was one large section alone
transported by B-29 back to the US?
All that UFO nonsense started with the original rancher's report and
the new term "flying saucer" coined by a reporter covering the
previous Arnold story... only to be resurrected in the 1970s after the
movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" came out by an author who
used secondary sources and myths from the '50s to tell the "real"
story. The only credible source for Roswell was the poor Major that
had to reveal that it was only a balloon- the USAF media fall guy for
the conspiracy who looked like a fool with fragments of a
meteorlogical balloon which could not make a debris trail of any real
length let alone an impact crater, scorched earth, a clamp down on
Roswell, and the massive effort by the USAF, US Army, and US Govt. to
retrieve the crashed machine but to also silence Roswell and
painstakingly clear every bit of evidence from miles of the crash
site. You don't do that with a balloon and you don't need a huge Army
transport and B-29 to transport a popped balloon- the debris of which
could fill one U-Haul box.
- German disc aircraft in general
Denied by the USAF until 1995 after Jim Wilson of popular mechanics
went through FOIA documents that had become declassified. USAF only
comment was that YES the Germans had disc prototypes but that they
were highly unstable- end of conversation. They gave no designations,
development times, photographic evidence, aerial footage of the discs
in flight. further detailed information including designer (s) nor
manufacturers. The bulk of this continued classification is until 2020
(75 year imposed classification from 1945). Jonastal S-III's
classification is 100 yrs or 2045 due to both the discs and the EM gun
and what is expected to be plasma research.
So bringing up the "He-113" is petty Pat. It has nothing to do with
any of the documents I supplied and can keep supplying. Official Govt.
documents on German technology.
Try again...
Rob

Knowing a thang or two about plasma physics, I sorta doubt most of
this. The Germans mighta dabbled in concepts but I can nearly
guarantee none of em worked. They didnt even have magnetrons to make
microwaves to make a good plasma. Using a big Van De Graf woud do
nothing but make impressive low current sparks.

o***@gmail.com

2007-04-23 01:49:32 UTC

Germany transferred this technology to the Italians through the Riva
Del Garda facility and U-boat transported documentation and hardward
to Japan.
Amazing how the Foo Fighter reports stopped in the ETO by April
1945... only to show up in the PTO by August 1945 by Germany's ally
Japan. The Italian sightings of 1943 are not that well known but
documented as well.
- Germany had no hope of building an atomic bomb
Declassified documentation now tells a different story. The Germans
made mistakes, but by 1945 were frantically trying to get one bomb
built for the Amerika Bomber to drop on Manhatten which was a
Luftwaffe target- the US grid maps of which were captured in 1945
prove this. The Prufstand XII containers for a sea-launched V-2 with a
single warhead aimed at NY also verify this. No one ton warhead of
Amatol would do anything to NY. The warhead was to be either a dirty
bomb or atomic- same for the ICBM A-9/A-10. These are not fantasy
projects but active projects of 1945. Time had simply run out and the
US had to bury these secrets as it intended to be known as the only
nation to design and build a nuclear weapon. They completely ignore
Britain's Tube Alloys atomic research that started the Manhatten
Project and cover up both the German radiologicals and attempted
atomic bomb along with the Firedamp Superbomb. Japan's Genzai Bakudan
atomic bomb in occupied Korea is also covered-up with the US only
disclosing partial atomic research in Tokyo. The main effort was not
there but in Korea.
- Kenneth Arnold sighting of 9 formation flying parabolic disc craft
led by a flying wing type.
USAF content to let the newly named "flying saucer" description take
its course.
New evidence supports the idea that the lead flying wing was a Horten
IX-based machine with the others being copies of the Horten Parabola,
but powered.
- Roswell "balloon" nonsense
The USAF over 5 decades had published THREE official versions of what
took place in 1947 and modified the balloon story to such an extent
that all credability is lost.
Newly declassified CIA documents that one of the Hortens was secretly
transferred to Wright Field postwar to investigate flying wing and
disc a/c designs. The Roswell craft is now believed to have been a
variant of the original Ho-X design complete with anti-radar grooves
cut into the belly of the craft which WAS carried aloft by an
intercontinental FUGO-type balloon for recon over the USSR. Due to the
sensitive nature of both Cold War spying and of general advanced
German aviation designs- the USAF had to lie its way through decades
of pressured public and other Governmental inquiries into that
machine. They still have not told the truth or revelaed the photos
takemn of the crashed delta (it wasn't a disc after all). If the
wreckage was just a debris field WHY did a huge US Army transporter
show up to recover the machine and why was one large section alone
transported by B-29 back to the US?
All that UFO nonsense started with the original rancher's report and
the new term "flying saucer" coined by a reporter covering the
previous Arnold story... only to be resurrected in the 1970s after the
movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" came out by an author who
used secondary sources and myths from the '50s to tell the "real"
story. The only credible source for Roswell was the poor Major that
had to reveal that it was only a balloon- the USAF media fall guy for
the conspiracy who looked like a fool with fragments of a
meteorlogical balloon which could not make a debris trail of any real
length let alone an impact crater, scorched earth, a clamp down on
Roswell, and the massive effort by the USAF, US Army, and US Govt. to
retrieve the crashed machine but to also silence Roswell and
painstakingly clear every bit of evidence from miles of the crash
site. You don't do that with a balloon and you don't need a huge Army
transport and B-29 to transport a popped balloon- the debris of which
could fill one U-Haul box.
- German disc aircraft in general
Denied by the USAF until 1995 after Jim Wilson of popular mechanics
went through FOIA documents that had become declassified. USAF only
comment was that YES the Germans had disc prototypes but that they
were highly unstable- end of conversation. They gave no designations,
development times, photographic evidence, aerial footage of the discs
in flight. further detailed information including designer (s) nor
manufacturers. The bulk of this continued classification is until 2020
(75 year imposed classification from 1945). Jonastal S-III's
classification is 100 yrs or 2045 due to both the discs and the EM gun
and what is expected to be plasma research.
So bringing up the "He-113" is petty Pat. It has nothing to do with
any of the documents I supplied and can keep supplying. Official Govt.
documents on German technology.
Try again...
Rob

For that matter, all the talk about the supposed Japanese nuke is just
that. I do think the japs were probably better equipped to make a
nuke than the Germans but they had no hope of achieving it. The
closest they came was in building some cyclotrons to make isotopes.
When you talk about a cover-up of the British tubealloy work, I recall
that I read about it in the early 70s so it must been de-classified
many years earlier, say 1960? Not much of a cover-up.

Pat Flannery

2007-04-22 09:31:41 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
Microfilm negative of official US 1945 document listing Phoo Bomb,
http://www.missilegate.com/rfz/images/047.jpg
They knew all along and even today do not disclose any Phoo Bomb
photos, flight footage, German documention, etc... allowing people to
believe for decades these were alien UFOs. Guess the truth is stranger
than fiction AND a threat to natinal security.

And while we're on these odd devices we were sure existed, we might want
to finally pin down where those squadrons of He-113's were based that
our pilots kept having to mix it up with.

Pat

Rob Arndt

2007-04-22 17:14:56 UTC

And while we're on these odd devices we were sure existed, we might want
to finally pin down where those squadrons of He-113's were based that
our pilots kept having to mix it up with.
Pat

Again, a weak attempt to avoid the facts presented. It isn't a matter
of "IF" they existed but that they were KNOWN German weapons that came
up from the ground in German held terrotory vs UFOlogists and the
mainstream insisting that they came form the heavens down to the skies
and played fun games with US bombers in three theaters of the war in a
consistent chronology based upon the German development and deployment
of those weapons.

With the Foo Fighter phenomenon being so validitated by hundreds of
sightings and encounters which are documented by the 415th NFS and
20th & 21st BGs... WHY didn't the USAAF acknowledge them as German
weapons? Because the very nature of the devices was so far advanced
beyond anything the Allies had or thought possible, that all
information was classified and compartmentalized in the interests of
national security.

It has take 6 decades to just discover they were categorized as Phoo
Bombs. That is why the FOIA seekers were thrown off for so long having
relentlessly pursued Foo Fighter.

But now we know otherwise.

In 1944-45 it would have been devastating to morale to report than in
addition to jet and rocket a/c that now the Germans had advanced to
ion-plasma propulsion, EMG engines, vortex technology, and field
weaponry to be used against them.

Postwar the experts that got this documentation and any hardware have
repeatedly stated that had the war gone on 6 months longer the Allies
would have been faced with
"entirely new German aerial developments" which they had no defense
against. Even Project Bluebook did have the courage to state that only
"certain developments of the Third Reich in the closing stages of the
war came close to the flight characteristics of modern UFO
sightings".

They are not comparing a Me-262 to a UFO, I assure you.

Rob

Pat Flannery

2007-04-22 08:57:01 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
RE: AEG Plasma Physics and the Bell Device (Die Glocke)
Most information available about the "Bell" project comes from the
research of Polish investigator Igor Witkowski and is based on the
partially declassified depositions in the case of State of Poland vs
ex-SS Obergruppenfuehrer Jakob Sporrenberg.

I knew our old friend, The Bell, was going to show up sooner or later.
You do know that it's a alien-built time machine that was discovered in
a coal mine, don't you?

Post by Rob Arndt
THIS REFERS TO THE TWO UNCOMPLETED LAYERED URANIUM DIRTY BOMBS THAT
WERE TO BE CONTINED WITHIN A WARHEAD SPHERE FILLED WITH KEROSENE AND A
FISSION INDUCING ELEMENT TO CAUSE A COMPRESSION FISSION EXPLOSION AT
IMPACT AND SCATTER RADIOACTIVE FISSILE MATERIAL OVER A WIDE AREA OF US
TERRITORY- TARGET, MANHATTEN, NY.

You've got that mixed up; that's not the bomb proper, that's how you
create the isotopes you put _into_ the bomb itself.
You use the polonium or radium down at the core of the aluminum sphere
filled with powdered uranium metal while the whole works is submerged in
a pool of water to act as a radiation shield. It's sort of a cheapo
breeder reactor for nasty short half-life isotopes. You just keep
replacing the polonium as it decays and wait a month or two for the
goodies to get created.
A kid did this all on his own a small scale several years back:
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
The project was an off-shoot on prewar German work on medical isotopes,
which is probably why it got named "Virus House".
So why did they ditch it?
Because nerve gas was far easier and cheaper to make in quanity, and
istantly effective as well; with the isotopes, the effects could be
delayed hours, days, or even weeks...so from a military point of view,
nerve gas was a far better choice.
So the whole program got canned early on in the war.

Pat

Rob Arndt

2007-04-22 17:02:36 UTC

I knew our old friend, The Bell, was going to show up sooner or later.
You do know that it's a alien-built time machine that was discovered in
a coal mine, don't you?

Nice avoidance Pat. AEG had the highest order in the Reich to proceed
with German plasma physics, the people including SS General Kammler
are known, the description of the operating principals of the device
point to magnetic field separations, but no one has yet positiely
identified what the Bell was. It is amazing that both Kammler and the
Bell vanished in April 1945 simulatenously. Many people he sold out to
the US with that machine and interestingly enought the US had
attempted similar temporal displacement test during the war using
EInstein's Unified Field Theory whuile the Germans used quantum
physics and Tesla's research fused to SS Metaphysical rsearch. I'm
sorry that the subject matter makes it uncomfortable for you to accept
but at the very least German plasma physics during the war is a
verifiable program that is documented.

You've got that mixed up; that's not the bomb proper, that's how you
create the isotopes you put _into_ the bomb itself.
You use the polonium or radium down at the core of the aluminum sphere
filled with powdered uranium metal while the whole works is submerged in
a pool of water to act as a radiation shield. It's sort of a cheapo
breeder reactor for nasty short half-life isotopes. You just keep
replacing the polonium as it decays and wait a month or two for the
goodies to get created.
A kid did this all on his own a small scale several years back:http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
The project was an off-shoot on prewar German work on medical isotopes,
which is probably why it got named "Virus House".
So why did they ditch it?
Because nerve gas was far easier and cheaper to make in quanity, and
istantly effective as well; with the isotopes, the effects could be
delayed hours, days, or even weeks...so from a military point of view,
nerve gas was a far better choice.
So the whole program got canned early on in the war.
Pat

I did not mix anything up- you did. Virus House had both a uranium
reactor project and the dirty bomb radiologicals. A reactor is not
filled with kerosene and designed to cause an impact collision fission
rection that would be scattered by the kerosene explosion. BTW, the SS
had their own nuclear research program under Black Plague. Do get it
right or I will post the reactor and the bombs separately and make you
look more like a fool.

Rob

Pat Flannery

2007-04-24 14:54:10 UTC

Post by Rob Arndt
I did not mix anything up- you did. Virus House had both a uranium
reactor project and the dirty bomb radiologicals. A reactor is not
filled with kerosene and designed to cause an impact collision fission
rection that would be scattered by the kerosene explosion. BTW, the SS
had their own nuclear research program under Black Plague. Do get it
right or I will post the reactor and the bombs separately and make you
look more like a fool.

Save yourself the trouble; I already made myself look quite enough the
foo, by taking David Myhra's concept of the Heisenberg Leipzig sphere
"nuclear weapon" at face value and posting two articles on it to the
Internet, that first showed up on Dan Johnson's "Luft 46" website, then
stared showing up all-over-the- place without my okay or permission,
including a book that I have from "Friedrich Georg", that being
"Hitler's Siegeswaffen, Band 2, Star Wars, 1947"
So why don't you grab your copy of that, page through it to page 149,
and take a look at what's illustrated there, and who made that illustration?
That's my illustration of the multi-layered
compression-critical-mass-formed-by-impact Nazi Atomic Bomb, with the
kerosene between the layers of semi-enriched uranium serving as a
neutron absorber shield until all the layers got slammed into each other
as the whole thing hits the ground at around the speed of sound, and the
kerosene gets squirted out from between the layers of uranium, like
layers of frosting on a wedding cake whose multiple stacked cylinders
were made of solid cast iron, held together with frangible bolts.
I had quite the time discussing this with nuclear scientists from inside
the U.S. nuclear program, as it rapidly got spread around, and became
quite the topic of water-cooler conversation.
Would that actually happen? A major-league nuclear detonation was flat
out... but could the whole widget go critical and start a nuclear
meltdown like a China Syndrome in central Manhattan?
Math was done. (and they had a lot of fun doing this, BTW)
No, that wouldn't happen...here's what happens when it hits: Kerosene,
unlike water, _is _ compressible, so if the whole widget hits the ground
at around Mach 1, the uranium starts to compress as it decelerates...but
so does the kerosene neutron absorber. So that all the uranium layers
still have the same density neutron absorption layer between them.
Now, the bomb bottoms outs under the streets Manhattan, and everything
would be fine and dandy if it weren't for one little detail; during its
compression on impact, the temperature of that kerosene got raised way
beyond its ignition point, so that the dread Nazi atomic bomb has
mutated in to something quite different - a single-shot diesel engine
with all of it's firing chambers locate one-on-top of the other.
Consider this in your mind for a moment:
You are just finishing up attending a truly great Kay Kayser concert in
Radio City Music Hall with a mighty hot dish who knows how to keep the
seams in here stockings straight, and knows YOU know that those two
seams are like furzes heading up to where the dynamite is stored.
Suddenly, the city goes black, and the plaintive sound of the air raid
siren is heard.
She grasps you tightly to her, in her fear...as like ghostly fingers,
the beams of the searchlights probe the sky for the Axis enemy.
Far up in the heavens they converge an the strange boomerang-like
shape... the Horten Ho-18 has come, bearing within its belly the very
vengeance and evil of Hitler himself....the Nazi Atomic Bomb.
With the steadily increasing shriek of the banshee, death descends upon
America's greatest city.
It falls only a half-block from where the two of you stand...then, with
a terrific concussion , all those layers on uranium come flying out of
the ground on a sheet of white-hot fire, like stacked pancakes from a
cheap flop-house restaurant.
You advance to the nearest of them, take two Lucky Strike cigarettes
from the silver case your father carried into Paris in 1917, light them
on the burning uranium, and hand one to her.
"Here's look at you, kid." you say.
"This all confuses me...I don't understand all of this...why did this
have to happen...to you...and to me?" she replies, as her hair and teeth
start to fall out.

Pat

Dean A. Markley

2007-04-25 01:02:50 UTC

Save yourself the trouble; I already made myself look quite enough the
foo, by taking David Myhra's concept of the Heisenberg Leipzig sphere
"nuclear weapon" at face value and posting two articles on it to the
Internet, that first showed up on Dan Johnson's "Luft 46" website, then
stared showing up all-over-the- place without my okay or permission,
including a book that I have from "Friedrich Georg", that being
"Hitler's Siegeswaffen, Band 2, Star Wars, 1947"
So why don't you grab your copy of that, page through it to page 149,
and take a look at what's illustrated there, and who made that
illustration?
That's my illustration of the multi-layered
compression-critical-mass-formed-by-impact Nazi Atomic Bomb, with the
kerosene between the layers of semi-enriched uranium serving as a
neutron absorber shield until all the layers got slammed into each other
as the whole thing hits the ground at around the speed of sound, and the
kerosene gets squirted out from between the layers of uranium, like
layers of frosting on a wedding cake whose multiple stacked cylinders
were made of solid cast iron, held together with frangible bolts.
I had quite the time discussing this with nuclear scientists from inside
the U.S. nuclear program, as it rapidly got spread around, and became
quite the topic of water-cooler conversation.
Would that actually happen? A major-league nuclear detonation was flat
out... but could the whole widget go critical and start a nuclear
meltdown like a China Syndrome in central Manhattan?
Math was done. (and they had a lot of fun doing this, BTW)
No, that wouldn't happen...here's what happens when it hits: Kerosene,
unlike water, _is _ compressible, so if the whole widget hits the ground
at around Mach 1, the uranium starts to compress as it decelerates...but
so does the kerosene neutron absorber. So that all the uranium layers
still have the same density neutron absorption layer between them.
Now, the bomb bottoms outs under the streets Manhattan, and everything
would be fine and dandy if it weren't for one little detail; during its
compression on impact, the temperature of that kerosene got raised way
beyond its ignition point, so that the dread Nazi atomic bomb has
mutated in to something quite different - a single-shot diesel engine
with all of it's firing chambers locate one-on-top of the other.
You are just finishing up attending a truly great Kay Kayser concert in
Radio City Music Hall with a mighty hot dish who knows how to keep the
seams in here stockings straight, and knows YOU know that those two
seams are like furzes heading up to where the dynamite is stored.
Suddenly, the city goes black, and the plaintive sound of the air raid
siren is heard.
She grasps you tightly to her, in her fear...as like ghostly fingers,
the beams of the searchlights probe the sky for the Axis enemy.
Far up in the heavens they converge an the strange boomerang-like
shape... the Horten Ho-18 has come, bearing within its belly the very
vengeance and evil of Hitler himself....the Nazi Atomic Bomb.
With the steadily increasing shriek of the banshee, death descends upon
America's greatest city.
It falls only a half-block from where the two of you stand...then, with
a terrific concussion , all those layers on uranium come flying out of
the ground on a sheet of white-hot fire, like stacked pancakes from a
cheap flop-house restaurant.
You advance to the nearest of them, take two Lucky Strike cigarettes
from the silver case your father carried into Paris in 1917, light them
on the burning uranium, and hand one to her.
"Here's look at you, kid." you say.
"This all confuses me...I don't understand all of this...why did this
have to happen...to you...and to me?" she replies, as her hair and teeth
start to fall out.
Pat

I just don't see either uranium or kerosene compressing at a slow speed
such as Mach 1. Yes, the kero might ignite but by that time, the whole
thing would be shattered into pieces.

Dan

2007-04-25 02:34:01 UTC

Save yourself the trouble; I already made myself look quite enough
the foo, by taking David Myhra's concept of the Heisenberg Leipzig
sphere "nuclear weapon" at face value and posting two articles on it
to the Internet, that first showed up on Dan Johnson's "Luft 46"
website, then stared showing up all-over-the- place without my okay or
permission, including a book that I have from "Friedrich Georg",
that being "Hitler's Siegeswaffen, Band 2, Star Wars, 1947"
So why don't you grab your copy of that, page through it to page 149,
and take a look at what's illustrated there, and who made that illustration?
That's my illustration of the multi-layered
compression-critical-mass-formed-by-impact Nazi Atomic Bomb, with the
kerosene between the layers of semi-enriched uranium serving as a
neutron absorber shield until all the layers got slammed into each
other as the whole thing hits the ground at around the speed of sound,
and the kerosene gets squirted out from between the layers of uranium,
like layers of frosting on a wedding cake whose multiple stacked
cylinders were made of solid cast iron, held together with frangible
bolts.
I had quite the time discussing this with nuclear scientists from
inside the U.S. nuclear program, as it rapidly got spread around, and
became quite the topic of water-cooler conversation.
Would that actually happen? A major-league nuclear detonation was
flat out... but could the whole widget go critical and start a nuclear
meltdown like a China Syndrome in central Manhattan?
Math was done. (and they had a lot of fun doing this, BTW)
No, that wouldn't happen...here's what happens when it hits: Kerosene,
unlike water, _is _ compressible, so if the whole widget hits the
ground at around Mach 1, the uranium starts to compress as it
decelerates...but so does the kerosene neutron absorber. So that all
the uranium layers still have the same density neutron absorption
layer between them.
Now, the bomb bottoms outs under the streets Manhattan, and everything
would be fine and dandy if it weren't for one little detail; during
its compression on impact, the temperature of that kerosene got raised
way beyond its ignition point, so that the dread Nazi atomic bomb has
mutated in to something quite different - a single-shot diesel engine
with all of it's firing chambers locate one-on-top of the other.
You are just finishing up attending a truly great Kay Kayser concert
in Radio City Music Hall with a mighty hot dish who knows how to keep
the seams in here stockings straight, and knows YOU know that those
two seams are like furzes heading up to where the dynamite is stored.
Suddenly, the city goes black, and the plaintive sound of the air raid
siren is heard.
She grasps you tightly to her, in her fear...as like ghostly fingers,
the beams of the searchlights probe the sky for the Axis enemy.
Far up in the heavens they converge an the strange boomerang-like
shape... the Horten Ho-18 has come, bearing within its belly the very
vengeance and evil of Hitler himself....the Nazi Atomic Bomb.
With the steadily increasing shriek of the banshee, death descends
upon America's greatest city.
It falls only a half-block from where the two of you stand...then,
with a terrific concussion , all those layers on uranium come flying
out of the ground on a sheet of white-hot fire, like stacked pancakes
from a cheap flop-house restaurant.
You advance to the nearest of them, take two Lucky Strike cigarettes
from the silver case your father carried into Paris in 1917, light
them on the burning uranium, and hand one to her.
"Here's look at you, kid." you say.
"This all confuses me...I don't understand all of this...why did this
have to happen...to you...and to me?" she replies, as her hair and
teeth start to fall out.
Pat

I just don't see either uranium or kerosene compressing at a slow speed
such as Mach 1. Yes, the kero might ignite but by that time, the whole
thing would be shattered into pieces.

You missed aren't's "plasma bomb" awhile ago. It seems it used coal
dust, liquid oxygen and an unspecified "reagent" to produce plasma and a
thunderstorm. Despite having the physics explained to him he still trots
it out on occasion.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Rob Arndt

2007-04-26 04:39:02 UTC

Save yourself the trouble; I already �made myself look quite enough
the foo, by taking �David Myhra's concept of the Heisenberg Leipzig
sphere "nuclear weapon" at face value and posting two articles on it
to the Internet, that first showed up on Dan Johnson's "Luft 46"
website, then stared showing up all-over-the- place without my okay or
permission, including a book �that �I have �from "Friedrich Georg",
that being "Hitler's Siegeswaffen, Band 2, Star Wars, 1947"
So why don't you grab your copy of that, page through it to page 149,
and take a look at what's illustrated there, and who made that illustration?
That's my illustration of the multi-layered
compression-critical-mass-formed-by-impact Nazi Atomic Bomb, with the
kerosene between the layers of semi-enriched uranium �serving as a
neutron absorber shield until all the layers got slammed into each
other as the whole thing hits the ground at around the speed of sound,
and the kerosene gets squirted out from between the layers of uranium,
like layers of frosting on a wedding cake whose multiple stacked
cylinders were made of solid cast iron, held together with frangible
bolts.
I had quite the time discussing this with nuclear scientists from
inside the U.S. nuclear program, as it rapidly got spread around, and
became quite the topic of water-cooler conversation.
Would that actually happen? �A major-league nuclear detonation was
flat out... but could the whole widget go critical and start a nuclear
meltdown like a China Syndrome in central Manhattan?
Math was done. (and they had a lot of fun doing this, BTW)
No, that wouldn't happen...here's what happens when it hits: Kerosene,
unlike water, _is _ compressible, so if the whole widget hits the
ground at around Mach 1, the uranium starts to compress as it
decelerates...but so does the kerosene neutron absorber. So �that all
the uranium layers still have the same density �neutron �absorption
layer between them.
Now, the bomb bottoms outs under the streets Manhattan, and everything
would be fine and dandy if it weren't for one little detail; during
its compression on impact, the temperature of that kerosene got raised
way beyond its ignition point, so that the dread Nazi atomic bomb has
mutated in to something quite different - a single-shot diesel engine
with all of it's firing chambers locate one-on-top of the other.
You are just finishing up attending a truly great Kay Kayser concert
in Radio City Music Hall with a mighty hot dish who knows how to keep
the seams in here stockings straight, and knows YOU know that those
two seams are like furzes heading up to where the dynamite is stored.
Suddenly, the city goes black, and the plaintive sound of the air raid
siren is heard.
She grasps you tightly to her, in her fear...as like ghostly fingers,
the beams of the searchlights probe the sky for the Axis enemy.
Far up in the heavens they converge an the strange boomerang-like
shape... the Horten Ho-18 has come, bearing within its belly the very
vengeance and evil of Hitler himself....the Nazi Atomic Bomb.
With the steadily increasing shriek of the banshee, death descends
upon America's greatest city.
It falls only a half-block from where the two of you stand...then,
with a terrific concussion , all those layers on uranium come flying
out of the ground on a sheet of white-hot fire, like stacked pancakes
from a cheap flop-house restaurant.
You advance to the nearest of them, take two Lucky Strike cigarettes
from �the silver case your father carried into Paris in 1917, light
them on the burning uranium, and hand one to her.
"Here's look at you, kid." you say.
"This all confuses me...I don't understand all of this...why did this
have to happen...to you...and to me?" she replies, as her hair and
teeth start to fall out.
Pat

I just don't see either uranium or kerosene compressing at a slow speed
such as Mach 1. �Yes, the kero might ignite but by that time, the whole
thing would be shattered into pieces.

� � You missed aren't's "plasma bomb" awhile ago. It seems it used coal
dust, liquid oxygen and an unspecified "reagent" to produce plasma and a
thunderstorm. Despite having the physics explained to him he still trots
it out on occasion.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Dan,

As time goes by and more information is learned on a classified weapon
system, then of course the understanding of that system changes.

The weapon you speak of is now known as the SS Firedamp Superbomb that
is covered in another thread. It used 60% LOX + 40% fine coal dust
powder + R Waffe (that SS waxy reagent). The weapon is also believed
to be the type tested at Thuringia in March 1945 and NOT a Nazi mini-
nuke. That is WHY there was no radiation detected there in 2006
despite the fact that eyewitness accounts for March 1945 describe the
brilliant multi-colored flash and the deaths of several hundred KZ
prisoners and 20 SS guards that were too close to the explosion and
were either incinerated or extremely scorched. The subsequent climate
distortion effect of the ground lightning storm was witnessed as well
and Hermann Goering's testimony of saving the world from a " doomsday
device" he ordered halted is a matter of record at the Nuremburg
trials documented by his interrogators. No one knew what he meant at
the time as he was a morphine addict and wrote his remarks off as pure
fantasy; however, the Luftwaffe and Heer war diaries are missing for
March 1945 and it is known that the SS executed a Luftwaffe General
and bombing group for not carrying out orders to drop a weapon of mass
destruction. This aligns itself exactly with Goering's claims that "no
Luftwaffe bomber would be allowed to drop the weapon" (which most
likely would have been over German territory against the Russians
advancing from the East).

So why don't you take all that updated information and process it?

I doubt your feeble mind can accept it.

Rob

Dan

2007-04-26 05:43:19 UTC

I just don't see either uranium or kerosene compressing at a slow speed
such as Mach 1. �Yes, the kero might ignite but by that time, the whole
thing would be shattered into pieces.

Dan,
As time goes by and more information is learned on a classified weapon
system, then of course the understanding of that system changes.
The weapon you speak of is now known as the SS Firedamp Superbomb that
is covered in another thread. It used 60% LOX + 40% fine coal dust
powder + R Waffe (that SS waxy reagent). The weapon is also believed
to be the type tested at Thuringia in March 1945 and NOT a Nazi mini-
nuke. That is WHY there was no radiation detected there in 2006
despite the fact that eyewitness accounts for March 1945 describe the
brilliant multi-colored flash and the deaths of several hundred KZ
prisoners and 20 SS guards that were too close to the explosion and
were either incinerated or extremely scorched. The subsequent climate
distortion effect of the ground lightning storm was witnessed as well
and Hermann Goering's testimony of saving the world from a " doomsday
device" he ordered halted is a matter of record at the Nuremburg
trials documented by his interrogators. No one knew what he meant at
the time as he was a morphine addict and wrote his remarks off as pure
fantasy; however, the Luftwaffe and Heer war diaries are missing for
March 1945 and it is known that the SS executed a Luftwaffe General
and bombing group for not carrying out orders to drop a weapon of mass
destruction. This aligns itself exactly with Goering's claims that "no
Luftwaffe bomber would be allowed to drop the weapon" (which most
likely would have been over German territory against the Russians
advancing from the East).
So why don't you take all that updated information and process it?
I doubt your feeble mind can accept it.
Rob

I will wait until you stop shoveling out fiction as fact. Coal dust
explodes for the same reason fine flour will: it's a fine flammable dust
so the burn is fast enough to be considered a detonation. You add an "SS
waxy reagent" to the dust and liquid oxygen and more than likely all you
will do is slow down the burn. Take a course in college chemistry and
learn something. A course in physics would help also.

Coal dust explosions have been killing people for centuries. Your
beloved Nazis knew this.

On the bright side it's nice to have you admit you were wrong about
the "plasma bomb." Maybe next you will admit you were wrong about Nazi
a-bomb test in Antarctica and the unrelated war between the Nazis and
Byrd also in Antarctica. The question I have is do you know when you are
lying? Like the time you decided you were French or when you write web
pages about Nazi weapons that were never fielded as fact?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dean A. Markley

2007-04-26 23:13:52 UTC

I just don't see either uranium or kerosene compressing at a slow speed
such as Mach 1. �Yes, the kero might ignite but by that time, the whole
thing would be shattered into pieces.

Dan,
As time goes by and more information is learned on a classified weapon
system, then of course the understanding of that system changes.
The weapon you speak of is now known as the SS Firedamp Superbomb that
is covered in another thread. It used 60% LOX + 40% fine coal dust
powder + R Waffe (that SS waxy reagent). The weapon is also believed
to be the type tested at Thuringia in March 1945 and NOT a Nazi mini-
nuke. That is WHY there was no radiation detected there in 2006
despite the fact that eyewitness accounts for March 1945 describe the
brilliant multi-colored flash and the deaths of several hundred KZ
prisoners and 20 SS guards that were too close to the explosion and
were either incinerated or extremely scorched. The subsequent climate
distortion effect of the ground lightning storm was witnessed as well
and Hermann Goering's testimony of saving the world from a " doomsday
device" he ordered halted is a matter of record at the Nuremburg
trials documented by his interrogators. No one knew what he meant at
the time as he was a morphine addict and wrote his remarks off as pure
fantasy; however, the Luftwaffe and Heer war diaries are missing for
March 1945 and it is known that the SS executed a Luftwaffe General
and bombing group for not carrying out orders to drop a weapon of mass
destruction. This aligns itself exactly with Goering's claims that "no
Luftwaffe bomber would be allowed to drop the weapon" (which most
likely would have been over German territory against the Russians
advancing from the East).
So why don't you take all that updated information and process it?
I doubt your feeble mind can accept it.
Rob

I am sorry but "climate distortion effect"? Horseshit! LOX + coaldust
+ wax = something of a flashbomb maybe. This is nothing more than what
was already known at the time from grain silo explosions. If you take a
fine organic material and mix it with sufficient oxygen plus an igniter
you will indeed get a bang. But no more so than you'd get from 1000 kg
of RDX or PETN or TNT. And as far as Goering not using such a weapon?
He had no qualms about incinerating human beings in purpose made ovens.
This whole thing smacks heavily of conspiracy theory.

I'd like to see some actual PROOF rather than a dim/hazy/sort of "I saw
it/I heard it/it is documented" type proof.

Rob, your posts are fascinating but there is a line between reality and
fantasy.

Rob Arndt

2007-04-27 01:58:45 UTC

Save yourself the trouble; I already ?made myself look quite enough
the foo, by taking ?David Myhra's concept of the Heisenberg Leipzig
sphere "nuclear weapon" at face value and posting two articles on it
to the Internet, that first showed up on Dan Johnson's "Luft 46"
website, then stared showing up all-over-the- place without my okay or
permission, including a book ?that ?I have ?from "Friedrich Georg",
that being "Hitler's Siegeswaffen, Band 2, Star Wars, 1947"
So why don't you grab your copy of that, page through it to page 149,
and take a look at what's illustrated there, and who made that illustration?
That's my illustration of the multi-layered
compression-critical-mass-formed-by-impact Nazi Atomic Bomb, with the
kerosene between the layers of semi-enriched uranium ?serving as a
neutron absorber shield until all the layers got slammed into each
other as the whole thing hits the ground at around the speed of sound,
and the kerosene gets squirted out from between the layers of uranium,
like layers of frosting on a wedding cake whose multiple stacked
cylinders were made of solid cast iron, held together with frangible
bolts.
I had quite the time discussing this with nuclear scientists from
inside the U.S. nuclear program, as it rapidly got spread around, and
became quite the topic of water-cooler conversation.
Would that actually happen? ?A major-league nuclear detonation was
flat out... but could the whole widget go critical and start a nuclear
meltdown like a China Syndrome in central Manhattan?
Math was done. (and they had a lot of fun doing this, BTW)
No, that wouldn't happen...here's what happens when it hits: Kerosene,
unlike water, _is _ compressible, so if the whole widget hits the
ground at around Mach 1, the uranium starts to compress as it
decelerates...but so does the kerosene neutron absorber. So ?that all
the uranium layers still have the same density ?neutron ?absorption
layer between them.
Now, the bomb bottoms outs under the streets Manhattan, and everything
would be fine and dandy if it weren't for one little detail; during
its compression on impact, the temperature of that kerosene got raised
way beyond its ignition point, so that the dread Nazi atomic bomb has
mutated in to something quite different - a single-shot diesel engine
with all of it's firing chambers locate one-on-top of the other.
You are just finishing up attending a truly great Kay Kayser concert
in Radio City Music Hall with a mighty hot dish who knows how to keep
the seams in here stockings straight, and knows YOU know that those
two seams are like furzes heading up to where the dynamite is stored.
Suddenly, the city goes black, and the plaintive sound of the air raid
siren is heard.
She grasps you tightly to her, in her fear...as like ghostly fingers,
the beams of the searchlights probe the sky for the Axis enemy.
Far up in the heavens they converge an the strange boomerang-like
shape... the Horten Ho-18 has come, bearing within its belly the very
vengeance and evil of Hitler himself....the Nazi Atomic Bomb.
With the steadily increasing shriek of the banshee, death descends
upon America's greatest city.
It falls only a half-block from where the two of you stand...then,
with a terrific concussion , all those layers on uranium come flying
out of the ground on a sheet of white-hot fire, like stacked pancakes
from a cheap flop-house restaurant.
You advance to the nearest of them, take two Lucky Strike cigarettes
from ?the silver case your father carried into Paris in 1917, light
them on the burning uranium, and hand one to her.
"Here's look at you, kid." you say.
"This all confuses me...I don't understand all of this...why did this
have to happen...to you...and to me?" she replies, as her hair and
teeth start to fall out.
Pat

I just don't see either uranium or kerosene compressing at a slow speed
such as Mach 1. ?Yes, the kero might ignite but by that time, the whole
thing would be shattered into pieces.

? ? You missed aren't's "plasma bomb" awhile ago. It seems it used coal
dust, liquid oxygen and an unspecified "reagent" to produce plasma and a
thunderstorm. Despite having the physics explained to him he still trots
it out on occasion.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Dan,
As time goes by and more information is learned on a classified weapon
system, then of course the understanding of that system changes.
The weapon you speak of is now known as the SS Firedamp Superbomb that
is covered in another thread. It used 60% LOX + 40% fine coal dust
powder + R Waffe (that SS waxy reagent). The weapon is also believed
to be the type tested at Thuringia in March 1945 and NOT a Nazi mini-
nuke. That is WHY there was no radiation detected there in 2006
despite the fact that eyewitness accounts for March 1945 describe the
brilliant multi-colored flash and the deaths of several hundred KZ
prisoners and 20 SS guards that were too close to the explosion and
were either incinerated or extremely scorched. The subsequent climate
distortion effect of the ground lightning storm was witnessed as well
and Hermann Goering's testimony of saving the world from a " doomsday
device" he ordered halted is a matter of record at the Nuremburg
trials documented by his interrogators. No one knew what he meant at
the time as he was a morphine addict and wrote his remarks off as pure
fantasy; however, the Luftwaffe and Heer war diaries are missing for
March 1945 and it is known that the SS executed a Luftwaffe General
and bombing group for not carrying out orders to drop a weapon of mass
destruction. This aligns itself exactly with Goering's claims that "no
Luftwaffe bomber would be allowed to drop the weapon" (which most
likely would have been over German territory against the Russians
advancing from the East).
So why don't you take all that updated information and process it?
I doubt your feeble mind can accept it.
Rob

I am sorry but "climate distortion effect"? �Horseshit! �LOX + coaldust
+ wax = something of a flashbomb maybe. �This is nothing more than what
was already known at the time from grain silo explosions. �If you take a
fine organic material and mix it with sufficient oxygen plus an igniter
you will indeed get a bang. �But no more so than you'd get from 1000 kg
of RDX or PETN or TNT. �And as far as Goering not using such a weapon?
He had no qualms about incinerating human beings in purpose made ovens.
This whole thing smacks heavily of conspiracy theory.
I'd like to see some actual PROOF rather than a dim/hazy/sort of "I saw
it/I heard it/it is documented" type proof.
Rob, your posts are fascinating but there is a line between reality and
fantasy.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Dean,

If you bothered to read the entire thread, my second post in this
thread of 4/22 lists under AEG Plasma Physics Research- this (repeated
again):

(3) A strange explosive was tested at Ohrdruf on the nights of 4th and
12 March 1945. A number of modern German authors including Mehnen and
Karlsch have attempted to prove that this was a rudimentary atom bomb.
However, the eye-witness evidence contradicts any such possibility. It
was a small scale test. 400 camp prisoners and 20 SS guards who got
too close were scorched to death. Viewers were invited to watch the
explosion through binoculars on a dark night (therefore there was no
fire-ball). Witness Claere Werner (see 4 below) said: "There was a
brightness like hundreds of lightning flashes, but red inside and
yellow outside. Then came a tremendous hurricane gust after which it
fell quiet. A witness stated that this was a '100 gram additive?.
There was some kind of miscalculation of the extent of the explosion
resulting in the deaths of up to 400 concentration camp prisoners and
20 SS guards who were assisting in the test. The bodies were burnt on
a communal pyre and the ashes scattered across the Harz mountains."
There was no residual fallout, although the Reichspost official made
the rounds of nearby houses and ensured that all glassware was wiped
clean. Claere Werner testified that on the night of 12 March 1945 she
witnessed another, much smaller test. "I was told I must never mention
anything I had seen, and particularly not the bolts of lightning."

(4) In 1962, the DDR authorities at Arnstadt questioned local
residents who had been working at Ohrdruf in the period 1943-1945.
These papers may be seen in the Arnstadt municipal archive. ALL
deserve to be looked at and thought about very carefully. Claere
Werner mentioned at 3 above was custodian of the Wachsenburg watch-
tower situated in high ground a few miles NE of Ohrdruf. She mentioned
a friend who worked at Arnstadt, Hans Ritter. He was employed by von
Ardenne's Reichspost project and knew all about the forthcoming
explosions and what precaustions were to be taken. It was Ritter who
came round to clean the windows and glassware afterwards.

So not only did I provide an eyewitness account, but where the
archived documents are kept. That isn't fantasy at all. Regarding
Goering's testimony, that is also documented and his story aligns
itself exactly with the events of March 1945 described above; however,
since both the OKH and OKL war diaries are missing (probably
confiscated and classified by the Allies) for March 1945 (how
convenient for the Allies), further information is denied.

Rob

p.s. R-Waffe is not wax, it is a waxy (adjective) reagent or catalyst-
which could be anything that formed a plasmiod... you do not know the
composition of this substance so how can you be critical of that which
you know nothing if? Wax doesn't produce an unnatural climate
distortion with the lightning effect that eye witness Claere Werner
described. Or are you calling her a liar? She witnessed the test
explosions and you didn't. I'll take her word over yours anyday.

Rob Arndt

2007-04-27 02:17:50 UTC

More repeated info on Firedamp Superbomb:

5. The Miracle Explosive.

The four items of literature appearing to relate to the explosive
tested at Ohrdruf in March 1945 are as follows:

a. British Security Coordination (BSC) was the largest integrated
intelligence network enterprise in history. Its Director was Sir
William Stevenson, a Canadian industrialist. His code-name was
"Intrepid". In his autobiography², Stevenson relates: "One of the BSC
agents submitted a report, sealed and stamped THIS IS OF PARTICULAR
SECRECY which told of "...liquid air bombs being developed in
Germany... of terrific destructive effect."

The reader should not be misled into thinking that these were modern
common-or-garden "liquid air bombs": Stevenson noted that they were
"as powerful as rockets with atomic warheads".

b. The book "German Secret Weapons" was authored by Brian Ford, Barrie
Pitt and Capt Sir Basil Liddell Hart.³ At page 28, the text states:

"...The Whirlwind Bomb produced an artificial hurricane of fire and is
absolutely authentic even though it may seem improbable. The explosive
was developed and tested by Dr. Zippermayr at Lofer, an experimental
Luftwaffe institute in the Tyrol. The explosive was pulverzied coal
dust and liquid air. Its effect was sufficient to create an artificial
typhoon and was intended initially as an anti-aircraft weapon able to
destroy aircraft by excessive turbulence. The effective radius of
action was 914 metres..."

c. This is a 4-page declassified US Intelligence document of the
Zalzburg Detachment of the US Forces Austria Counter-Intelligence
Corps, describing Dr. Zippermayr was interrogated at Lofer on August
3, 1945. His laboratories were established at Lofer with head office
at Weimarerstrasse 87, Vienna. Staff was 35, work financed by RLM and
under direction of Chef der Technischen Luftruestung.

Zippermayr worked on three projects of which one was the Enzian/
Schmetterling anti-aircraft rockets "charged with a coal dust
explosive so strong that the concussion could break the wings of a
bomber." This item "was proved successful by August 1943, but orders
for its production were not issued until March 9, 1945..."

d. This item is an extract from BIOS (British Intelligence Objectives
Sub-Committee) Final Report 142(g) "Information Obtained from Targets
of Opportunity in the Sonthofen Area, (HMSO London).

The report states that during 1944, an explosive mixture of 60% liquid
air and 40% finely powdered coal dust invented by Dr. Mario Zippermayr
was tested at Doeberitz explosives ground near Berlin, and was found
to be very destructive over a radius of up to 600 metres.

Waffen-SS scientists then became involved and added some kind of waxy
substance to the explosive. The bombs had to be filled immediately
prior to the aircraft taking off. Bombs of 25 and 50 kgs were dropped
on Starnberger See and photos taken. Standartenfuehrer Klemm showed
these to Brandt (Himmler's scientific adviser). The intensive
explosion covered an area up to 4.5 kms radius.

This waxy substance was a reagent of some kind which was said to
interact with air during the development of the explosion, causing it
to change its composition and so create meteorological change in the
atmosphere. A lightning storm at ground level consumes all the
available oxygen. Goering's statement upon his arrest in May 1945 is
significant: he claimed to have led a revolt against Luftwaffe use of
a bomb "which could have destroyed all civilisation." The bomb was not
a nuclear weapon, and it appears to have been a conventional explosive
which used a reagent or catalyst produced by Tesla methodology or
similar for its inexplicable effect.

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6. Conclusion.

The suggestion at this point is that by late 1944, Waffen-SS
scientists in Germany had developed a catalyst or reagent, apparently
a waxy substance, maybe a plasmoid of some kind, which when added to a
conventional explosive containing liquid air vastly magnified the
effect, killing everything within a three mile radius by blast,
tremendous heat and suffocation. It appears also to have had
undesirable meteorological effects.

On April 16, 1945 the Type XB submarine U-234 (KL Fehler) departed
Kristiansand, Norway for Japan direct. She had loaded at Kiel in
January and February, and besides a strategic cargo in the region of
260 tonnes carried ten German and two Japanese passengers, all of whom
were specialists in the military field or scientists.

On May 17, 1945, against his express orders, Kptlt. Fehler decided to
surrender his submarine to the US Navy, and arrived two days later at
Portsmouth Navy Yard, New Hampshire.

What is principally of interest is the cargo, and in particular ten
cases of "uranium oxide" of 560 kilograms weight, and several items
which were not included on the Unloading Manifest.

The Unloading Manifest (US NAT Arch, College Park MD, Box RG38, Box
13, Document OP-20-3-G1-A (Unloading Manifest) dated May 24, 1945) is
a falsified document purporting to show the entire cargo aboard U-234.
The true Manifests, both American and German, have never been
declassified. In the normal course of events, a Manifest upon
declassification would bear the censor's deletions where it was
intended that certain items should not be displayed. The USN alleged
Unloading Manifest is clean of any deletions and purports to be the
true Unloading Manifest. From a declassified cable, it is evident that
80 cases of Uranium Powder have been omitted, as was also, from the
statements of the U-boat crew members and Kptlt. Fehler, a two-seater
Me 262 bomber aircraft brought from Rechlin and stowed in its
component parts.

Germany had 1,200 tonnes of uranium oxide on hand at Oolen in Belgium
throughout the war, but made no strides towards making an atom bomb.
Nevertheless, many commentators fantasize an embryonic atom bomb in
the 560 kilos of "uranium oxide" aboard U-234. It is a fantasy, for
such evidence as exists points to this being a cover word for
something else.

Two official documents address the ten cases of "uranium oxide"
directly.

a. A report headed "Regarding 'URANIUM OXIDE' and other CARGO aboard
U-234" on the interrogation of Geschwaderrichter Kay Nieschling, U-234
passenger by USN Intelligence Officer Lt Best states that "Lt Pfaff
was the man responsible for loading the U-boat" and that "the meaning
behind the ore"-peculiar phrase suggesting that the ore was not the
ore - would be known by Kptlt. Falk (or Falck) who took some secret
courses before he boarded the U-boat. Kptlt. Fehler should also know
something about the ore."

It does not appear that Kptlt. Falk or Falck survived his
interrogation, for there is no record of his return to Germany, and
the US authorities have not been able to account for his movements in
their custody after interrogating him on May 26, 1945. There are other
indications that the "uranium ore" was extraordinary. Lt. Col. John
Lansdale, chief of security for the Manhattan Project, wrote in a 1996
newspaper article published in Britain and Germany that he had
personally handled the disposal of the ten cases. He stated that the
American military authorities "reacted with panic" when they learned
what the cases contained.

b. The second document was found by researcher Joseph Mark Scalia, a
former 12-year US Navy man, during a rummage through old boxes at the
Portsmouth Navy Yard. It is a secret cable from CNO to NYPORT on the
subject "MINE TUBES, UNLOADING OF" and states:

"Interrogation Lt. Pfaff IIWO U-234 discloses he was in charge of
cargo and personally supervised loading all mine tubes. Pfaff prepared
Manifest List and knows kind cargo in each tube. Uranium Oxide loaded
in gold-lined cylinders and as long as cylinders not opened can be
handled like crude TNT. These containers should not be opened as
substance will become sensitive and dangerous..."

The so-called "Uranium Oxide" would become sensitive and dangerous if
exposed to air. The so-called "Uranium Oxide" was perfectly safe in
its cylinders provided one respected it as one would dynamite. The so-
called "Uranium Oxide" was sealed in a cylinder lined with gold.

In nuclear physics gold is used to absorb fission fragments plus gamma
rays in containers, and is particularly efficient at capturing neutron
radiation as well. From this it is evident that the material in the
ten cylinders was not just highly radioactive-it was extraordinarily
dangerous and behaving as if it were itself a nuclear reactor. No
atomic physicist who has examined the evidence about these ten cases
has been able to deliver an opinion as to what substance kept within a
lead case might have required these extraordinary precautions.

On May 24, 1945, when the US Navy began to unload U-234, it is clear
from the US State papers that no decision regarding the atom bomb had
been taken by the US government. On May 30, 1945, both Secretary of
State Stimson and President Truman were agreed that no alternative
existed to deploying America's atomic arsenal against Japan.

They had no alternative to using the atom bomb, and no satisfactory
reason has ever been forthcoming why that decision was made. So what
could have caused these two decent men to decide that such a course of
action was unavoidable?

What was aboard U-234 might also be aboard other Japan-bound U-boats.
The Japanese had at least two submarines with a range of 30,000 miles,
that were capable of being used as aircraft launchers. The Japanese
had a plan of mixing the uranium from U-234 with standard explosives,
and loading them in bombs or planes which were to take off the
submarines and attack San Francisco. The target date was August 1945;
they were ready, only waiting for the shipment of uranium to arrive.

That would make no sense unless the "uranium" from U-234 was the waxy
substance which when mixed with conventional explosives turned the
material into the miracle weapon. These two Japanese submarines would
be very close to San Francisco, and the pilots of the bomber aircraft
would have to be kamikazes, for proximity to the waxy substance meant
certain death.

If the Japanese were indeed in the process of being supplied with this
material by German U-boats for use against the United States west
coast, then this was the reason for the nuclear attacks against Japan.

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The miracle explosive known nowadays as R-Waffe was not based on
uranium, although uranium was used in the creation of the plasmoid.
The plasmoid worked as a catalyst on a conventional coal-dust/liquid
air mixture to vastly expand the explosion.

¹ Lucky Forward: The History of Patton's 3rd US Army, Col. Robert S.
Allen, published by Vanguard Press, New York, 1947, ² A Man Called
Intrepid, Sphere Books, 1977, page 414, ³ German Secret Weapons,
Ballantyne Press, UK, also Libr. Edit. San Martin, Madrid, 1975,
authored by Brian Ford (military scientist), Barrie Pitt (academic
historian) and Capt Sir Basil Liddell Hart (military historian), º US
Forces Austria Counter-Intelligence Corps, Salzburg Detachment, Zell
am See report 4 August 1945, Case No S/Z/55 Dr Mario Zippermayr; NARA
RG 319 Entry 82a Reports and messages, ALSOS Mission.

Additional sources: US Nat Archive NARA/US Strategic Air Forces in
Europe-Air Intelligence Summaries, January 1945 et seq. 6 February
1945, Subject: Engine Interference Counter-measures. To: The Director,
Air Technical Service Command, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, Engineering
Division. From: Taylor Drysdale, Director Technical Services, HQ
European Theatre of Operations, PoW and X Detachment, Military
Intelligence Service, US Army.

Originally published under Ohrdruf by Geoffrey M. Brooks at the Axis
History Forums.

Rob

Pat Flannery

2007-04-27 08:10:19 UTC

Post by Dan
You missed aren't's "plasma bomb" awhile ago. It seems it used coal
dust, liquid oxygen and an unspecified "reagent" to produce plasma and
a thunderstorm. Despite having the physics explained to him he still
trots it out on occasion.

You can make an explosive of approximately the same power as dynamite by
weight by soaking charcoal in LOX.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxyliquit
But a charge of the size described isn't going to burn a whole area away
or start a thunderstorm.
The Germans looked into it as a cheap replacement for high explosives,
as they had a shortage of those toward the end of the war.
But as one can well imagine, lugging LOX around with you would be a
major pain from a tactical viewpoint.

Pat

Pat Flannery

2007-04-27 07:54:30 UTC

Post by Dean A. Markley
I just don't see either uranium or kerosene compressing at a slow
speed such as Mach 1. Yes, the kero might ignite but by that time,
the whole thing would be shattered into pieces.

It was supposed to come down at over the speed of sound inside a
streamlined shell like was used on a Tallboy bomb.
When I made the original drawing of the thing, I thought it had kerosene
in it, and that's the version that I discussed with the physisist...
from where was it? It's been so long, I can't remember where he was located.
Anyway, it was one of our major nuclear labratories, and apparently they
saw the article and tried to figure out what would happen if you built
something along those lines (a stack of subcrital uranium plates with
layers of nuetron shielding between them, that would get squished out on
impact allowing them to assemble into a supercritcal mass. Their
conclusion was that the thing would never explode, but it might melt
down. They thought the most likely result though would be it just blew
the plates apart via eirher the Diesal effect igniting the kerosene, or
the physichal compression of the kerosene would act like a rebounding
spring, and hurl the plates apart.
Anyway this was all on the original kerosene idea, not the later
pariffin reactor one, where the pariffin would serve as a nuetron
moderator to allow more fast nuetrond to be slowed to the point that
would allow capture by other U-235 atoms.
One of the big problems with this idea is where to you get the enriched
uranium to use in it if it's a bomb, not a reactor or isotope breeder?
It wouldn't work with unenriched uranium. like in a reactor you'd need
around 5 percent enrichment even to get it to even melt down, much less
explode.
I would have loved to see what would have happened to Heisenberg's
cauldron reactor if it had ever gone critical; the device looks more
like something used for black magic than power generation:
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Rob Arndt

2007-04-26 04:26:13 UTC