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Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
2017-07-01 18:04:38 UTC
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NY Giants training camp starts July 28.

Yay! Football season starts soon!
;-)
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
2017-07-01 19:59:07 UTC
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Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
NY Giants training camp starts July 28.
Yay! Football season starts soon!
;-)
Do we need football when we got alt.war.vietnam?
Think about it.
Juergen Nieveler
2017-07-04 11:16:21 UTC
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Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
NY Giants training camp starts July 28.
Yay! Football season starts soon!
;-)
The Giants don't play football.. they play hand-egg (aka "American
Football")
Jonathan
2017-07-04 13:51:33 UTC
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Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
NY Giants training camp starts July 28.
Yay! Football season starts soon!
;-)
The Giants don't play football.. they play hand-egg (aka "American
Football")
Using your feet and heads only shows
that Europeans don't know why God
gave man thumbs.


After an extensive study, the only reason
the Euros seem to call soccer football
is that once soccer became popular in the
states, the Euros decided to change to calling
soccor football.

Out of jealousy.





Why Americans Call Soccer 'Soccer'
The British started it.


New Zealand's largest newspaper is deeply conflicted. With the World Cup
underway in Brazil, should The New Zealand Herald refer to the "global
round-ball game" as "soccer" or "football"? The question has been put to
readers, and the readers have spoken. It's "football"—by a wide margin.

We in the U.S., of course, would disagree. And now we have a clearer
understanding of why. In May, Stefan Szymanski, a sports economist at
the University of Michigan, published a paper debunking the notion that
"soccer" is a semantically bizarre American invention. In fact, it's a
British import. And the Brits used it often—until, that is, it became
too much of an Americanism for British English to bear.

The story begins, like many good stories do, in a pub. As early as the
Middle Ages, Szymanski explains, the rough outlines of soccer—a game, a
ball, feet—appear to have been present in England. But it wasn't until
the sport became popular among aristocratic boys at schools like Eton
and Rugby in the nineteenth century that these young men tried to
standardize play. On a Monday evening in October 1863, the leaders of a
dozen clubs met at the Freemasons' Tavern in London to establish "a
definite code of rules for the regulation of the game.” They did just
that, forming the Football Association. The most divisive issue was
whether to permit "hacking," or kicking an opponent in the leg (the
answer, ultimately, was 'no').


The Football Association

But that wasn't where the controversy ended. In 1871, another set of
clubs met in London to codify a version of the game that involved more
use of the hands—a variant most closely associated with the Rugby School.



"From this point onwards the two versions of football were distinguished
by reference to their longer titles, Rugby Football and Association
Football (named after the Football Association)," Szymanski writes. "The
rugby football game was shortened to 'rugger,'" while "the association
football game was, plausibly, shortened to 'soccer.'"

Both sports fragmented yet again as they spread around the world. The
colloquialism "soccer" caught on in the United States in the first
decade of the twentieth century, in part to distinguish the game from
American football, a hybrid of Association Football and Rugby Football.
(Countries that tend to use the word "soccer" nowadays—Australia, for
example—usually have another sport called "football.")

In support of this theory, Szymanski cites a 1905 letter to the editor
of The New York Times from Francis Tabor of New York, who warned of the
spreading "heresy" of the word "socker":

It seems a thousand pities that in reporting Association football
matches THE NEW YORK TIMES, in company with all the other newspapers,
should persistently call the game "Socker."

In the first place, there is no such word, and in the second place, it
is an exceedingly ugly and undignified one.

You may search the English papers through and through, and in all the
long columns of descriptions of games you will not find even "Soccer"
(which is probably the word intended.)

As a matter of fact, it was a fad at Oxford and Cambridge to use "er" at
the end of many words, such as foot er, sport er, and as Association did
not take an "er" easily, it was, and is, sometimes spoken of as Soccer.
If the word "soccer" originated in England, why did it fall into disuse
there and become dominant in the States? To answer that question,
Szymanski counted the frequency with which the words "football" and
soccer" appeared in American and British news outlets as far back as 1900.

In England, rugby football was shortened to 'rugger,' while association
football was shortened to 'soccer.'
What he found is fascinating: "Soccer" was a recognized term in Britain
in the first half of the twentieth century, but it wasn't widely used
until after World War II, when it was in vogue (and interchangeable with
"football" and other phrases like "soccer football") for a couple
decades, perhaps because of the influence of American troops stationed
in Britain during the war and the allure of American culture in its
aftermath. In the 1980s, however, Brits began rejecting the term, as
soccer became a more popular sport in the United States.

In recent decades, "The penetration of the game into American culture,
measured by the use of the name 'soccer,' has led to backlash against
the use of the word in Britain, where it was once considered an
innocuous alternative to the word 'football,'" Szymanski explains.

Football. Soccer. Calcio. We're not so different after all. But tell
that to these guys:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/why-we-call-soccer-soccer/372771/
Ramsman
2017-07-04 15:50:06 UTC
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Post by Jonathan
Post by Juergen Nieveler
Post by Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.
NY Giants training camp starts July 28.
Yay! Football season starts soon!
;-)
The Giants don't play football.. they play hand-egg (aka "American
Football")
Using your feet and heads only shows
that Europeans don't know why God
gave man thumbs.
After an extensive study, the only reason
the Euros seem to call soccer football
is that once soccer became popular in the
states, the Euros decided to change to calling
soccor football.
Out of jealousy.
Why Americans Call Soccer 'Soccer'
The British started it.
New Zealand's largest newspaper is deeply conflicted. With the World Cup
underway in Brazil, should The New Zealand Herald refer to the "global
round-ball game" as "soccer" or "football"? The question has been put to
readers, and the readers have spoken. It's "football"—by a wide margin.
We in the U.S., of course, would disagree. And now we have a clearer
understanding of why. In May, Stefan Szymanski, a sports economist at
the University of Michigan, published a paper debunking the notion that
"soccer" is a semantically bizarre American invention. In fact, it's a
British import. And the Brits used it often—until, that is, it became
too much of an Americanism for British English to bear.
The story begins, like many good stories do, in a pub. As early as the
Middle Ages, Szymanski explains, the rough outlines of soccer—a game, a
ball, feet—appear to have been present in England. But it wasn't until
the sport became popular among aristocratic boys at schools like Eton
and Rugby in the nineteenth century that these young men tried to
standardize play. On a Monday evening in October 1863, the leaders of a
dozen clubs met at the Freemasons' Tavern in London to establish "a
definite code of rules for the regulation of the game.” They did just
that, forming the Football Association. The most divisive issue was
whether to permit "hacking," or kicking an opponent in the leg (the
answer, ultimately, was 'no').
The Football Association
But that wasn't where the controversy ended. In 1871, another set of
clubs met in London to codify a version of the game that involved more
use of the hands—a variant most closely associated with the Rugby School.
"From this point onwards the two versions of football were distinguished
by reference to their longer titles, Rugby Football and Association
Football (named after the Football Association)," Szymanski writes. "The
rugby football game was shortened to 'rugger,'" while "the association
football game was, plausibly, shortened to 'soccer.'"
Both sports fragmented yet again as they spread around the world. The
colloquialism "soccer" caught on in the United States in the first
decade of the twentieth century, in part to distinguish the game from
American football, a hybrid of Association Football and Rugby Football.
(Countries that tend to use the word "soccer" nowadays—Australia, for
example—usually have another sport called "football.")
In support of this theory, Szymanski cites a 1905 letter to the editor
of The New York Times from Francis Tabor of New York, who warned of the
It seems a thousand pities that in reporting Association football
matches THE NEW YORK TIMES, in company with all the other newspapers,
should persistently call the game "Socker."
In the first place, there is no such word, and in the second place, it
is an exceedingly ugly and undignified one.
You may search the English papers through and through, and in all the
long columns of descriptions of games you will not find even "Soccer"
(which is probably the word intended.)
As a matter of fact, it was a fad at Oxford and Cambridge to use "er" at
the end of many words, such as foot er, sport er, and as Association did
not take an "er" easily, it was, and is, sometimes spoken of as Soccer.
If the word "soccer" originated in England, why did it fall into disuse
there and become dominant in the States? To answer that question,
Szymanski counted the frequency with which the words "football" and
soccer" appeared in American and British news outlets as far back as 1900.
In England, rugby football was shortened to 'rugger,' while association
football was shortened to 'soccer.'
What he found is fascinating: "Soccer" was a recognized term in Britain
in the first half of the twentieth century, but it wasn't widely used
until after World War II, when it was in vogue (and interchangeable with
"football" and other phrases like "soccer football") for a couple
decades, perhaps because of the influence of American troops stationed
in Britain during the war and the allure of American culture in its
aftermath. In the 1980s, however, Brits began rejecting the term, as
soccer became a more popular sport in the United States.
In recent decades, "The penetration of the game into American culture,
measured by the use of the name 'soccer,' has led to backlash against
the use of the word in Britain, where it was once considered an
innocuous alternative to the word 'football,'" Szymanski explains.
Football. Soccer. Calcio. We're not so different after all. But tell
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/06/why-we-call-soccer-soccer/372771/
The demise of the term soccer in the UK is comparatively recent, as the
article says, but the reason is unclear. Rugger is rarely used for rugby
here these days, and a distinction has to be made between Union and
League when talking about it. People in Oz and NZ talk about footy,
which usually refers to one or other of the rugby variants, depending on
which of the countries you are in. League is the main sport in Oz,
whereas Union is almost a lifestyle in NZ, with near-religious status.
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Peter
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