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American soldiers leave Germany -- and suddenly Germany is upset
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a425couple
2020-08-25 21:28:00 UTC
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Victor Davis Hanson: American soldiers leave Germany -- and suddenly
Germany is upset
Will there be any point in the future when Europe is confident enough to
be a full defense partner with the U.S.?
Victor Davis Hanson By Victor Davis Hanson | Tribune Media Services

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President Trump recently ordered a 12,000-troop reduction in American
military personnel stationed in Germany. That leaves about 24,000
American soldiers still in the country.


A little more than half of the troops being withdrawn will return home.
The rest will be redeployed to other NATO member nations such as
Belgium, Italy, and perhaps Baltic and Eastern European countries.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is said to be furious. She claims the
redeployments will “weaken the (NATO) alliance.” German commercial
interests chimed in that the troop withdrawals will hurt their
decades-old businesses serving U.S. bases.

Perhaps, but Merkel surely cannot be surprised. Six years ago, all NATO
members pledged to spend 2 percent of their GDP on defense. Yet only
eight of 29 so far have kept their word.

Germany spends only about 1.4 percent of its GDP on defense. As NATO’s
largest, wealthiest and most powerful European member, it sets the
example for the rest of alliance.

Merkel’s reneging on her 2014 pledge helps explain why less wealthy and
influential NATO members also see no reason to meet their obligations.

Germany surely knows that 2020 marks the 75th anniversary of the end of
the World War II, and the 29th year since the fall of the Berlin Wall —
the symbolic end of the Cold War.

Will there be any point in the future when Europe is confident enough to
be a full defense partner with the U.S. rather than an eight-decade client?


NATO, of course, still provides a common European defense, but only by
habitually relying inordinately on U.S. military contributions. That
dependence seems increasingly odd when the European Union has an
aggregate GDP nearly as large as America’s.

More important, NATO’s frontline threats are now mostly concerned with
rogue member Turkey, especially its bullying of Greece and its
increasingly aggressive stance in the Middle East.

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Russia always poses a threat to Europe. But the likely flashpoints are
not on the German border, but more likely eastward in the Baltic states
or on the Russian frontier with Poland.

Moreover, the Merkel government has concluded, over American objections,
a huge natural gas deal with Russia that is currently under some U.S.
sanctions and short of cash.

Russian energy exports to Germany are said to earn Russia $10 billion a
year, with a likely doubling of that income once additional pipelines to
Germany are completed.

Merkel likes to lecture the world on moral issues, but what is so noble
about empowering Russian President Vladimir Putin, who recently
reclaimed Crimea and seems now to be eyeing Belarus?


Like a modern-day Byzantine emperor Justinian, who recovered much of the
lost Western Roman Empire, Putin seems to think he can reabsorb the lost
Soviet republics.

In recent polling, Germans were more anti-American than any other nation
in Europe. And while about 75 percent of Americans believe the U.S.
still has a good relationship with Germany, only about a third of
Germans feel that way about the U.S. Nearly half the German population
in some polls want U.S. troops out.

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Note that Germany piles up the largest annual trade surplus with the
U.S. of any nation in Europe — roughly $55 billion to $70 billion in
most years. The Trump administration says the surpluses have grown in
large part due to asymmetry in tariffs and duties, with Germany the far
more protectionist of the two partners.

With Germany now united, rich and often angry, and with the Soviet
threat largely over, it’s Germany, not the U.S., that seems to have
altered its view of this once-solid relationship.

Does Merkel really believe that if her nation cuts huge deals with
NATO’s historically greatest threat, polls as the most anti-American
country in Europe and still refuses to honor its promises to increase
defense spending, Germany still deserves a large American commitment of
36,000 troops to anchor its defense?

There is one caveat that the Trump administration and other European
countries might consider.

According to its founders, NATO was created for three reasons: to keep
the always aggressive Russians “out” of Europe, to keep the often
isolationist Americans “in” to help protect it, and to keep the
supposedly restless Germans “down” in order to avoid a replay of their
invasions that ignited both world wars.

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In other words, the huge defense commitment to an often ungracious
Germany over eight decades was not just envisioned to create a central
base from which to protect Europe from ancient Russian ambitions, but
also to remind Germany itself of its checkered past.

That third mission seems ossified and silly now. But it is not entirely
forgotten, and it may explain why many in Europe — and some in Germany
itself — are worried when any American soldiers leave Germany.

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Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow in military history at the Hoover
Institution at Stanford University and a professor emeritus of classics
at California State University, Fresno. He is the author of more than
two dozen books, ranging in topics from ancient Greece to modern
America, most recently "The Case for Trump" (Basic Books, 2019) He
lives in Selma, California.
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Byker
2020-08-30 19:55:05 UTC
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Victor Davis Hanson: American soldiers leave Germany -- and suddenly
Germany is upset
A little more than half of the troops being withdrawn will return home.
The rest will be redeployed to other NATO member nations such as Belgium,
Italy, and perhaps Baltic and Eastern European countries.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel is said to be furious. She claims the
redeployments will “weaken the (NATO) alliance.” German commercial
interests chimed in that the troop withdrawals will hurt their decades-old
businesses serving U.S. bases.
You're on your own, Krauts:


And take over the EU while you're at it:

Phantom_View
2020-08-31 01:24:41 UTC
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Victor Davis Hanson: American soldiers leave Germany -- and suddenly
Germany is upset
A little more than half of the troops being withdrawn will return home.
The rest will be redeployed to other NATO member nations such as Belgium,
Italy, and perhaps Baltic and Eastern European countries.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel is said to be furious. She claims the
redeployments will “weaken the (NATO) alliance.” German commercial
interests chimed in that the troop withdrawals will hurt their decades-old
businesses serving U.S. bases.
You're on your own, Krauts: http://youtu.be/86cP2r0ElWI
http://youtu.be/4CJsPPjQCXo
For decades they have griped about the horrible American
"occupying" force ....

You would THINK they would be happy now :-)
Juergen Nieveler
2020-08-31 13:43:56 UTC
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Off you go then, Merkins - and take all those non-NATO-related troops
with
you, they never should have been here in the first place.
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/86cP2r0ElWI
What exactly are they complaining about? That Germany wants to increase
military spending, or that it's not increasing it enough, or that we're
not spending the money on US products?

Make up your mind...
Byker
2020-08-31 21:20:10 UTC
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Post by Juergen Nieveler
Make up your mind...
NATO will fight to the last American...
a425couple
2020-09-03 16:18:34 UTC
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Post by Juergen Nieveler
Off you go then, Merkins - and take all those non-NATO-related troops
with
you, they never should have been here in the first place.
Post by Byker
http://youtu.be/86cP2r0ElWI
What exactly are they complaining about? That Germany wants to increase
military spending, or that it's not increasing it enough, or that we're
not spending the money on US products?
Make up your mind...
I think Germany should increase their defense spending
quicker, to match what they said they would in a reasonable
time frame.

If Germany is unhappy that the US is becoming less interested
in paying the blood price of being the global policeman,
then Germany ought to lead other countries in actions.

I also think Germany is walking a dangerous path in paying
Russia large sums, and becoming dependent on them for energy
needs. If Russia can shut off the heat in winter, they
will use it for their own enrichment.



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