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Piaggio P.133 Strategic Bomber
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Rob Arndt
2008-11-26 07:59:28 UTC
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Six were under construction when the Armistice was signed with one 90%
completed.

The other strategic bomber was the SM.95 which was to bomb the US. The
mission was called off just prior to the Armistice.

SM.95:
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Rare Aircraft Italy:
http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/ITALY.htm

Rob
David E. Powell
2008-11-26 23:37:02 UTC
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Post by Rob Arndt
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Six were under construction when the Armistice was signed with one 90%
completed.
They could have been useful earlier in the war, when the war in Africa
was going on, as well as for raiding out to Gibraltar. It is
interesting, the Italians had a lot of trimotors and medium bombers,
seeing a long range program is interesting.
Post by Rob Arndt
The other strategic bomber was the SM.95 which was to bomb the US. The
mission was called off just prior to the Armistice.
SM.95:http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/picturesd/it53.jpg
Wonder where they would launch it from for such an attack? I guess the
North African Atlantic coast was out by 1942 or so.

Interesting that the bigger one seems to have been built. I wonder if
Italy had any post war airliner programs? Strange as they aircraft
industry was so prolific in the 1930s and 1940s.
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Rare Aircraft Italy:http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/ITALY.htm
Nice page...

The AERONAUTICA LOMBARDI A.R. looks a bit like a Boeing Monomail.

The BUGATTI MODEL 100 RACER looks so golden-age/sky captain-ish it is
amazing, withthe wild wing and Airacobra style engine placement.
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Rob
Bill Shatzer
2008-11-27 00:26:43 UTC
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Post by David E. Powell
Interesting that the bigger one seems to have been built. I wonder if
Italy had any post war airliner programs? Strange as they aircraft
industry was so prolific in the 1930s and 1940s.
The Italians developed and built a modest number of Fiat G.212
airliners, an enlarged development of the earlier Fiat G.12 tri-motor.

Less than two dozen were built including a handful built as transports
and flying classrooms for the Italian Air Force.

One remains in the IAF museum.

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Rob Arndt
2008-11-27 04:10:01 UTC
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The Italian Nicolo Lana actually proposed a bombing mission on NYC in
1942 with the Piaggio P.23R, but it was rejected. The tri-motor plane
would have been overfueled and piloted by Lana and one flight
engineer. As they got closer to the target they would be cruising at
maximum efficiency and slowly losing one engine and then two before
reaching the US one the third. They would drop on 2,200 lb bomb on the
center of the city and then ditch the a/c near the Nantucket
Lighthouse to be picked up by Italian submarine waiting there!

The plan was rejected.

Photo of plane and Lana:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=138262

The SM.95 was planned for a better attack b/c its range would be 7,450
miles, but the cost was internal space for only two 550 lb bombs. The
attack planned for September 1943 was cancelled by the Armistice. It
would have been symbolic only...

More information on these Italian plans to attack america in the book,
"Target America" by Duffy.

Rob
LIBERATOR
2008-11-27 10:20:21 UTC
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Post by Rob Arndt
The Italian Nicolo Lana actually proposed a bombing mission on NYC in
1942 with the Piaggio P.23R, but it was rejected. The tri-motor plane
would have been overfueled and piloted by Lana and one flight
engineer. As they got closer to the target they would be cruising at
maximum efficiency and slowly losing one engine and then two before
reaching the US one the third. They would drop on 2,200 lb bomb on the
center of the city and then ditch the a/c near the Nantucket
Lighthouse to be picked up by Italian submarine waiting there!
The plan was rejected.
Photo of plane and Lana:http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=75&t=138262
The SM.95 was planned for a better attack b/c its range would be 7,450
miles, but the cost was internal space for only two 550 lb bombs. The
attack planned for September 1943 was cancelled by the Armistice. It
would have been symbolic only...
More information on these Italian plans to attack america in the book,
"Target America" by Duffy.
Rob
You're an amazing research specialist Robbie.

I'm mad at that site because of their refusal to be "neutral" to the
holocaust. They should let both disbelievers and believers battle it
out there. Free speech means letting free speech occur.
LIBERATOR
2008-11-27 10:46:23 UTC
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Post by Rob Arndt
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Six were under construction when the Armistice was signed with one 90%
completed.
The other strategic bomber was the SM.95 which was to bomb the US. The
mission was called off just prior to the Armistice.
SM.95:http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/picturesd/it53.jpg
Rare Aircraft Italy:http://rareaircraf1.greyfalcon.us/ITALY.htm
Rob
The forward engines, do they get mitigated by the rear engines?

Isn't the propulsion forces mitigated by the forward engine? Or is
each engine successful in pulling the plane forward?

Why haven't prop planes continued with that style of engines? It looks
intelligent but I wonder about them washing each other out.

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